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G-7 calls for end to fossil fuel use by 2100

Discussion in 'Cars and Transportation' started by santana338, Jun 8, 2015.

  1. santana338

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    Does that have all the binding power of me agreeing that I should eat healthier and exercise more?
     
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    tomas Traded in 9 rep bars for M3, used to be somebody!

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    That's about 50 years too late.
     
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    glhs272 Unnamed plug faced villian

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    By then there won't be any people left.... self correcting problem.
     
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    Right. And by the same date they also solemnly commit to :

    - end poverty & hunger
    - end crime
    - end war
    - end disease
    - extend human life expectancy to 300 years, while ensuring that everybody looks and feels 21 years old until the day that they drop quietly away in their sleep.
    - have cooperatively constructed 27 starliners each with warp 9 capability
    - have 1 million people each living on the moon, Mars, and in a large station orbiting Alpha Centauri
    - have a Mr. Fusion in every garage
    - solve time travel
    - rid the world of all remaining Justin Bieber recordings
     
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    The last one is the easiest, almost automatic once he and his fans die out, no future generation would want to remember him anyway.
     
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    Poor Catholic Priests.
     
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    I see what you did there, Soap-on-a-Rope's been dropped in the shower again...
     
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    Well, it's a start, but of course if it takes that long the planet will likely be on average at least 5C warmer than it is now, large scale agriculture may well be impossible, and the remaining humans may be living mostly underground.

    Needs to happen by 2050. Which frankly, seems unlikely.
     
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    Yes, this is a "feel good, motherhood" statement that has no real commitment (and is 50 years too late).
    However, it is a sign that the idiot politicians are slowly coming around to the idea that we need to do something so that is progress (sort of).
     
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    Such nonsense. These useless imbeciles (of which Canada's leader is a prime example) have probably never even heard of Tesla. While these G7 fools sit around and give themselves an extension of few more centuries, Tesla/SolarCity will demonstrate the business case, cause others to come onboard, and largely kill off fossil fuel within 15 yrs.
     
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    There are currently 4 orders of magnitude difference between the number of people who can afford a Tesla, and the number of vehicles worldwide that need to get off the road.
    The Model 3 will bring this to 2 orders of magnitude.

    So even in the best case scenario, with a perfectly executed business plan, perfect supply management, and perfect demand generation, Tesla can only solve 1% of the fossil fuel addiction in the next 15 years.

    If we assume that all manufacturers make a u-turn in the next 5 years, and also jump on board, then 15 years out we're looking at maybe 5%. In no way will it be "largely killed off" in that time period.
     
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    Our addiction to fossil fuels is what's known as a wicked problem; BY FAR the largest hurdle to solving our addiction is the addicts themselves... the technology is available AND affordable. People just need to ACT. Stop with the procrastination, the self-justifican, the excuses and ACT. 100% of the people I work with could quit fossil fuels in less than 1 year. EVERY... ONE... OF... THEM... but they won't... To be generous they're simply pathetic. They ALL make ~$100k+/yr. It's sad.... just REALLY... REALLY sad....

    Only Morons and Monsters use fossil fuels where alternatives exist...
     
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    In order to do that they would have to commit to never fly anywhere again for the rest of their lives. Otherwise it's just token.
     
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    But, first... we need to stop the use of all leather goods.
     
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    Round trip LA=>NY uses less fossil fuel than the average home does in a month... I do agree that we should quit our specious air travel but producing 100% of your energy from the sun is certainly not a token compared to air travel... if anything it's the other way around unless you're flying ~100k miles/yr.

    That also cracks the top ~4 on why people fail... EVERY 'single' act is 'just a token' in the grand scheme just like every 'single' bullet is irrelevant in a war. But try winning a war without bullets...

    People actively CHOOSE inaction... and that's sad. It's a choice. CHOOSE TO ACT.
     
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    Pretty easy to make a feel good headline when none of the people making the promise will be alive to be held accountable for failing when the time comes due.
     
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    First I'm clearly being way too wishful - really just saying what could realistically happen. :) So in that spirit then, let's say you effectively can't buy a new gas car in 5 yrs, shouldn't 10 years be enuf for the existing ones to fade away? The other large unpredictable factor though is people won't want one anymore, for many reasons, including that the alternatives are far too superior, cheaper to use, etc. The same way film cameras went away - fast.

    I also think though that most people don't care what powers their car and they'll gladly switch to whatever if they judge it to be better - this is where the magic of Tesla comes in. But yes in general, people often won't do the right things, be that for their personal health, or that of other things such as planets. So governments are also the real problem because they do the same things as individuals. Just like there isn't full funding to properly survey the sky, or develop plans for preventing, smaller asteroids/comets that could impact earth. What is more shortsighted or irresponsible as a species than that...
     
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    Some might contest that your perspective does just as much damage. Legitimate or not, you (plural) being an a-hole about it just gives one more 'roller self-justification.

    Using your addiction metaphor, the best solution to weening The Masses is not condemnation, but rather is education, positive reinforcement, and a properly designed reward system.
     

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