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Gasland II

Discussion in 'Energy, Environment, and Policy' started by ggies07, Jul 9, 2013.

  1. ggies07

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    #1 ggies07, Jul 9, 2013
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    Anyone watch this yet? Interesting stuff. It just premiered on HBO last night, so this is just the trailer:





    I really can't stand this. As a society we should be investing and developing in EVs and it's killing me to watch docs like this.
     
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    It's recorded on my DVR (as is Gasland I which I want to rewatch), but don't know when I'll have time to watch it.
     
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    There is a connection to EVs, director of Who Killed the Electric Car and Revenge of the Electric Car makes an appearance.
     
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    I was skeptical of some of the problems and figured that they were rare, isolated cases. (No, I haven't watched Gasland or the sequel - got my info from reading articles).

    But now, the more I read, the more common these problems seem to be. The older these wells get, the higher the percetage of failures become. I have no problems with the principles of fracking - but we NEED to be able to do it SAFELY and RELIABLY.

    I suspect this movie will be good for showing the Ayn Rand lovers how an unfettered free market will NOT regulate itself. Whether they listen or not... That's another story.
     
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    Is Gasland I still being aired?
     
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    Thats just it, its happening everywhere and from the doc you see that the companies still have no idea how to do it safely.....we are a greedy society.

    From the doc -1 out of 20 rigs fail automatically. If you have a 100, 000 rigs, like in some places, think how much environmental damage its causing.
     
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    The problem with doing it safely and reliably is that it drives the cost up which people don't like either. They want cheap energy and are willing to overlook how it is obtained (for now at least).
     
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    Personally, I'm more concerned with the disposal of contaminated waste water at the surface, and methane leaks into the atmosphere at the surface, than I am about what happens deep underground.
     
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    Oh yeah, that was interesting to learn as well. Crazy stuff, but I think its all important because it all starts from deep underground.
     
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    It's the usual problem of externalities, or "the tragedy of the commons", or something like that. The profit/benefits go to a much smaller group than the ones who have to bear the total cost, in this case cleanup or living with the pollution.

    The thing that worries me most about fracking is that it isn't clear to me that there even exists any way to do it safely. After all, they're intentionally changing the geology on a massive scale. What are they going to do, pour concrete around the shale?

    - - - Updated - - -

    One of the lessons Australia has had to learn (and be retaught...) is that aquifers do matter. I'm not trying to minimize what you are saying, but what if hundreds of square miles of forest hundreds of miles away suddenly die?
     
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    #13 ggies07, Jul 11, 2013
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    This article relates to what was said in the doc about how it doesn't matter how much supply we are finding because it is being exported and now we will have rising gas prices due to being on a more global price fix.

    Increased gas prices? Don - NBC News.com
     
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    Remember that there's gas=natural gas and then there's gas=gasoline. Pre-fracking, these were closely linked. Not these days. At present, North America has very limited means to export natural gas, which is why there is nearly a 5x price gap in the US vs. Japan. Unsurprisingly, The natural gas industry is scrambling to design, permit, and construct natural gas export facilities, but these are multi-billion dollar facilities.

    My team's analysis of the folly of fracking for export is available here: http://www.crai.com/uploadedFiles/Publications/CRA_LNG_Study_Feb2013.pdf
     
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    What’s shown in this movie is just surreal. It truly feels like: This. can. not. be.

    If this is not a must see, then I don’t know what is.

    No need to start with the first one. Watch this one, Part II. Then if you want, you can of course also watch the first one.
     
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    I finally broke down and for the first time ever in my life actually paid for a movie on demand at home. Used my AppleTV. The movie I picked for this auspicious occasion? GASLAND II. I got tired of waiting and hoping for a local theatrical screening. I have a 12-ft projection screen at home, figured it was time to give it a shot.

    Wow. Just, wow.

    The assault, no other word for it, the sustained, organized, battle-hardened, determined, and deliberate ASSAULT on land, water, air, and essentially all life on Earth by these companies is breathtaking. If a citizen went and polluted someone's water well, or worse, all the wells in a large geographical area -- destroying acquifers, basically -- they would be hauled in and you can bet they would be charged with tons of crimes, including terrorism. If a corporation, with armies of lobbyists and bribed politicians, poisons the water, destroys an acquifer, it's freedom and patriotism.

    But it isn't. We all know what it really is.
     
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    Thanks for the reminder. Forgot about this video. Added to my netflix queue
     
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    Good! I'm glad you finally watched it. I was blow away when I saw it and makes me angry and sad that we as a human race continue do these type of things to the planet we live on when we now have the information to stop and switch to something better.
     
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    This is an article about how a small town near Ft. Worth, close to where I live, became environmentalists due to fracking. If a conservative, small Texas town rethinks it's position, you know it's bad.

    Shaken and Stirred | Texas Monthly
     
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