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Gasland The Dark side of Natural Gas

Discussion in 'Energy, Environment, and Policy' started by vfx, Jun 11, 2010.

  1. vfx

    vfx Well-Known Member

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    For those who thing Natural Gas is a "clean" burning transportation alternative to gasoline derived from oil or that using natural gas to create electricity is just OK for EV use give a listen or read this interview promoting the new film GASLAND The film's site has a short video you have to see!

    Not so great for living things around it.
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127593937

    This should give you an idea of what is going on:

    Related thread
     
  2. vfx

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    The NPR piece was what journalism really should be.

    The stories of farmers being forced to sign their land rights over if a certain percentage of people in their communities have already signed is a shame and a sad sign of the lengths we (as Americans)are willing to allow companies and the government to take advantage of us and then get us to pay taxes on it.

    In certain places and under certain circumstances this type of extraction strategy works very well and is very efficient.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZe1AeH0Qz8

    Only time will tell.
     
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    The actual data given for the article is very old (from the 1990s), has poor sampling, makes biased assumptions (assuming that since methane was not considered a potent greenhouse gas in the 1990s that the measurements were under reported), claims gas and coal and oil final efficiencies are similar enough not to matter, claims 30% matters a lot in beginning of paper and that 10% doesn't near the end of the paper, and dismisses the relative home furnace efficiencies I quickly found on the Web (90-97% for methane and 56-80% for oil and no American domestic coal furnaces).

    I hope that future studies fix these problems. Poorly done review studies only confuse the serious issues we face.

    The New Scientist article criticizing wind power as potentially disrupting the weather (in another thread) is hyperboly at it's finest. The only risk occurs when windmills are everywhere. Even then the risk is way smaller than greenhouse gas concerns.

    The methane from cattle may be a bigger risk.

    There is risk with everything we do. Humans live longer, better, healthier (in spite of obesity, sedentary lifestyle and tobacco), happier, warmer, cooler, and more fulfilled than ever before in history. Flat earth lovers of the "egalitarian hunter gatherers" need only go to Borneo where there is over 30% male homicide rate.

    As you can tell I appreciate technology. Model S #S234.
     
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    I appreciate technology as well but it's consequences can't be ignored.
     
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    #13 EV_de, Jun 23, 2011
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    ... maybe I should by a gas car ... the neighbor has some cows ...


    cow-goes-trekking.jpg
     
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    Natural gas car.
     
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    Good article today in the NYT. I expect we'll see NG prices head upwards, even without pricing in the environmental destruction and costs of fracking.
     
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    Maybe that cow heard about the other thread describing cows jumping off of cliffs and is trying to turn herself into a Zeppelin! :tongue:
    (New warning sign: watch for floating cows.)
     
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    Floating cows?

    Yikes!

    Better get the industrial sized Zaino car wash system...:scared::biggrin:


     
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    Nice job, I added a link to your CNG blog post to my much less comprehensive CNG blog post.
    Why not natural gas?
     
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    #20 vfx, Jul 4, 2011
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    Drilling companys coloring book sells fracking to kids | Grist[​IMG]
     

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