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General chit-chat in "For Sale" threads

Discussion in 'Tesla for Sale' started by MsElectric, Mar 17, 2015.

  1. Fragger

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    Hi Friends... Bites are happening, but the times are a little tricky. Please DM/PM if you'd like to chat. Thanks for your time and help.
     
  2. cucubits

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    This isn't going to get me any brownie points but I just can't sit on my fingers with this blatant price gauging under our noses. This is a 2014 P90D ffs. You can get a new 2020 100D for just 10k more than what is asked here.

    Also, a quick search of the VIN of this P90 shows you purchased if from Tesla for $15k less then what you are asking, in March this year. Did the used car market skyrocket over night and we didn't notice?
     
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  3. MXer

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    I posted facts to help the owner assess what’s within reason. Thank you for your personal opinion. The fact that they sold my car for $2k over what they paid me says I missed out on exactly $2k and what the actual market is or was, around $45k.

    Hope to the seller that their car goes quickly.
     
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  4. Ostrichsak

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    No, the only thing we can extrapolate from that incredibly small dataset is they were willing to sell the car for $2k over cost before any other fees are factored in. That's it. It doesn't tells us anything about what you would have got for it had you taken the time to list and sell it yourself which is what the OP is doing here.

    Contrary to your alleged motivation, your post is NOT helping the OP sell their car by casting doubt on their asking price publicly. So if you truly want to help the OP you should simply move along and take your anecdotal (at best) data with you.

    If you truly hope that the seller sells their car quickly you'll stop crapping on their thread.
     
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    How did you search for VINs
    Thank you

    QUOTE="cucubits, post: 5091491, member: 104200"]This isn't going to get me any brownie points but I just can't sit on my fingers with this blatant price gauging under our noses. This is a 2014 P90D ffs. You can get a new 2020 100D for just 10k more than what is asked here.

    Also, a quick search of the VIN of this P90 shows you purchased if from Tesla for $15k less then what you are asking, in March this year. Did the used car market skyrocket over night and we didn't notice?[/QUOTE]
     
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    Check PM.
     
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  8. Ostrichsak

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    What exactly is "Blatant price gouging" anyway? "Price gouging" by itself is such an un-American phrase and holds virtually no weight with anyone capable of common sense and critical thinking.

    The seller is under ZERO obligation to sell their car for what YOU deem a good price. None. The seller is also not forcing anyone to buy at gunpoint. The car is worth what they seller is willing to accept and what the buyer is willing to pay. Not a penny less. Not a penny more. You don't like the price? Move along. Seems a pretty simple concept to me.

    As to used car values sky rocketing overnight... yeah, you didn't notice but the number of available used cars has drastically gone down. This coupled with the fact that Tesla is trying it's hardest to get out of the used car business and making drastic changes that don't favor the buyer to include warranty changes and removing FUSC/premium data, the private party car has become the ONE car to buy for those who are smart enough to know what to look for. This comes with a price premium that some are willing to pay. This has caused the values to plateau and even rise in some cases of harder-to-find cars in cleaner condition. Comparing a new LR to a Performance car (yes, even a 2014) is comparing apples to aardvarks. I'm surprised you didn't crap on this seller's for sale thread by talking about how one can get a used Civic for $10k as a comparison. You don't like it? Go buy the same car from Tesla and enjoy the nightmare you're signing up for.

    I know reading comprehension isn't a strong suit of yours so go back and read the sellers very first line of this entire thread. Here, I'll even copy/paste it here to save you the effort:

    Any other questions feel free to PM the seller. Be respectful.
     
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  9. omar193

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    Price gouging is real. I agree I would rather buy from a private individual for all the reasons you explained. Paying somebody a fair price even somewhat of a premium for a well-maintained vehicle with a good history remaining warranty and features that were available in the past but not currently available is a smart move. But that doesn't make it right or Fair or ethical to sell somebody a vehicle for $15,000 more than what Tesla would sell it to you for. Yes used car values have gone up some. I've been watching used car values on electric cars and internal combustion engine cars I can't point to a single example of a vehicle that has gone up $15,000 within a short historical window due to a limited supply of used cars on the market currently. I like reading comments on the forums because I want to pay a fair price and I don't want to get gouged. like learning about the various features in the advantages of one car versus another. Yes I have bought a Tesla from a forum member in his exact words or thank you for being straightforward in the purchasing process when so many were not. It can be a pain in the ass to sell on these forums it can be a pain in the ass to buy or it can be a good experience. Personally I see more sellers who have unrealistic expectations than buyers and I have been both on the three Teslas that I have owned.
    There will always be people commenting on these threads on vehicles for sale. Getting upset about it or responding in a harsh way is like getting mad at fire for burning you.

    Thank you Cucubits

     
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  10. Ostrichsak

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    No, it's not. Price gouging isn't real. It's not a thing. It's a phrase the snowflakes cry out when they have nothing of tangible value to say. Nobody is forcing you to buy this car. The seller could list this car at $238,964 and it's still not your place to post negatively about the price. If you don't like the price, move along. The seller even asked on the front end to not do exactly what you and @cucubits are doing. The lack of respect with your posts is unreal.
     
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    Reporting all these posts about "price gouging" to the mods.

    Same people keep thinking the RULES (do NOT threadcrap on pricing in a FS post) do not apply to them.

    Contrary to popular opinion, buyers are NOT idiots. If a car is over-priced, it simply will not sell (case in point). We don't need the nanny-state holding people's hands for pricing.
     
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  12. cucubits

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    I was wondering when ostrich dude and his angry mob would start showing up. Took you guys quite some time.
     
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  13. bkp_duke

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    You started it. You know we will NEVER let you get away with the notorious price crapping you do. Happy to keep playing this game, but you know the rules, and you know the mods are on our side, not yours.
     
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  14. cucubits

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    Right because blindly following head-in-sand the rules and using them to attack whatever you don't agree with, is the way to go! Good job!

    I have been quiet for many many threads now but yeah, I do still slip. I did try to be nicer here too, as you noticed I asked first if he wanted some feedback. Then he blamed the "times" for his non-sense, I couldn't stop.

    As it was said, when the sales ads are crazy, there will always be folks calling them out. If not me, someone else. If these get deleted, another way will be found to make sure potential buyers at least know the whole story.
     
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  15. cucubits

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    Wow, you talking about "lack of respect" is mindblowing. Have you looked back and read any of YOUR posts? It's insane how aggressive and angry you try to make yourself out. I'm 100% sure you're exactly the opposite in real life. Keyboard warrior...
     
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  16. bkp_duke

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    You STILL don't get it.

    1) No one forking over $XX,XXXX.XX for a car is stupid enough to NOT do price research. Thinking YOU need to INSERT yourself into THEIR business is, frankly, INSULTING.
    2) Telling someone their car is overpriced IS RUDE - - do you drive down to the local used car lots and tell them the same thing? I HIGHLY doubt it.
    3) IT IS AGAINST THE RULES, AND YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD REPEATEDLY.


    EDIT - and doing so when the OP specifically asked people NOT to is mind-blowing.
     
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  17. Ostrichsak

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    Angry mob? ROFL You mean those with common sense who are tired of your trolling which is...oh... pretty much everyone on this forum other then you and the two or three people who follow you around as your "hype man" on these posts that serve only to derail for sale threads and make it so more and more people simply choose to not post items for sale which ultimately screws us ALL over. You seem to think you're doing good but the reality is you're actually screwing us all over with your trolling.

    There's a reason almost all of your marketplace posts get deleted. Take a hint.
     
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  18. Ostrichsak

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    You keep calling them "crazy" prices and yet I keep selling cars for "crazy" prices to buyers who couldn't be happier with their purchase. It's really none of your damn business what people sell cars for. Zero.
     
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  19. Ostrichsak

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    And now you want to attack me personally when you know you're wrong on the topic. Nice.

    It should just be common decency. One shouldn't have to be told to not publicly criticize someone else's list price on the item they're selling. And yet, even when you ARE told to knock it off by forum staff and have your posts deled.. here you are. The same disrespectful and unsolicited posts. The OP even asked nicely as the VERY FIRST LINE OF THE THREAD to not do what you're doing and yet... here you are.

    Disrespectful is the most polite way of putting what you are with your actions in this marketplace subforum.
     
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  20. Rmf1981

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    Just FYI O-Sack - The government would disagree with you. Price gouging is a thing. They prosecute people for it every time a hurricane comes into town, and people start charging $10 a gallon for gas instead of $2.

    In fact, every state has laws about this. I'll leave this link here for you to help clear up your misunderstanding: Price Gouging Laws by State - FindLaw

    Also, I think it's fair that after the third time the seller has bumped his own thread, he's opened it up for comments. Just seems like common sense.

    I hope everyone has a good day, y'all are worked up here!

    OP - beautiful car. Hope it sells.
     
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