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Discussion in 'TSLA Investor Discussions' started by AudubonB, Dec 30, 2017.

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  1. dmckinstry

    dmckinstry Model X 2019

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    Can someone archive this video and report it to Fred from Electrek? He should update the article with this. Sorry I would do it myself but I’m not a tech expert.
     
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  3. Waiting4M3

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    Looks like an exit ramp, and the car veered into the exit lane, and hitting the divider to the left of the car. See this photo from Electrek's article. I think the left side of the car hit the right side of the divider. You You is lucky that he didn't run into the thing head on.

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    Archiving video of You You Xue abusing autopilot by driving at highway speeds and intentionally turning headlights off.
    i.e driving blind on highway

    You You Xue abusing autopilot, driving with lights off at highway speeds

    Created backup of video, in case original video gets deleted mysteriously
     
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  5. sundaymorning

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    Could it be they drive on the opposite side in eastern Europe?
     
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  6. Waiting4M3

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    I don't think so, Electrek updated the location to Greece. Before it was Macedonia, which also drives on the right side of the road, same as the US.
     
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    BioSehnsucht Model 3 LR

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    This isn't always a valid assumption, but perhaps map tile data could solve it, by having awareness of lane position - if you're traveling in rightmost lane, prefer left lane line. If you're traveling in left most lane, prefer right lane line. There are entrances and exits on both sides of the road in many places, for example on/off ramps on the right and HOV lane entrance/exit on the left, within the same stretch of road. If you always prefer left, and come across one of these HOV exits that briefly results in a "wide lane" to allow time / space for vehicles exiting HOV to merge with left lane of highway, then the car may aggressively cut off someone exiting the HOV.

    For example : Google Maps
     
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    Yes there was a screenshot of his comment from 5/20
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    #9709 sundaymorning, May 25, 2018
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  10. Waiting4M3

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    The shipment is for zone 4 of module line. Zone 3 was solved 2 weeks ago. And IIRC zone 2 was the one solved with the semi-auto method. This will complete module production ramp in all 4 zones.

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    Is Elon talking about the new equipment they received by air?
     
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    Yes, @EVNewsDaily asked Elon about the 6 planes flying today, that was Elon's reply.
     
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    How much "Model 3 equivalent" capacity does TE need? They also need tons of packs.
     
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    #9714 hobbes, May 25, 2018
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    You You´s own statement:
    r/teslamotors - My statement regarding the collision on Autopilot

    This guy is really honest, don´t find that often. So my assessment as with most AP accidents: Formally, the driver is to blame as his attention was not on the road. On the other hand, after driving forever on AP and never having problems like that, people tend to relax and not be as careful any more. Humans are generally bad at taking very low probability risks into account.

    Must say I am really impressed by his account, very differentiated. States both his and Tesla´s mistakes quite clearly.

    Unhappy ending both for You You and Tesla, not good press. Anyway, most importantly he is safe and hopefully this leads to Tesla putting even more effort into improving AP.
     
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    What! On autopilot without lights and no visible line markings, that’s crazy.
    Somebody who is willing to go to a different continent with a car that is totally unsupported there probably doesn’t have safety and peace of mind on high on his priorities.
     
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    Yes, don’t make it an assumption.

    The system should display a geeen dot over the one that it is using. The attentive driver can pong it over via the steering wheel well ahead of any
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    In the aftermath its clear now why Tesla did not support the Europe trip. Without mapping, updates and support its simply too dangerous and the likelihood that it creates negative press caused by an accident is too high.

    There are a few elements that needs to be available to drive AP safely that people may not fully comprehend. As stated before users tend to believe that they understand how AP works and because of that feel like they can use it in situations and locations they assume they are in full control of. Thats the misconception thats causes accidents.

    People need to understand that they will never fully understand how the system, the algorithms and the mapping works! Its a heavily complicated matter and regardless how experienced you feel you are driving that car or to what extend you educated yourself about autonomous driving.

    I consider You Your comments fair and balanced but he does miss a very important point. Tesla had a good reason why he did recommend not yet to use the car in Europe.

    His long conclusion reads like as if he would have had that accident in the US but he was in Europe and cannot expect that the AP acts like as it is the US. Given it was Europe you cannot work with the same assumption like AP supposed to work in the US.

    Having said that you need to rely on the advise and guideline from Tesla otherwise you take a high risk using it.
     
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    more like ap wanted to exit. YouYou got startled and tried to correct.. turned left. pr. his own reddit explanation.

    He drove into the median himself trying to correct.. imho.

    If he did nothing, the car could have exited correctly it seems. although at high speed.
     
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  20. Todd Burch

    Todd Burch Voltage makes me tingle.

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    #9720 Todd Burch, May 26, 2018
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    Don’t want to call YouYou a liar, but something does not add up with this story.

    1. Geometrically, a hard veer to the right would make it virtually impossible to get severe damage on the left side of the car without another hard veer to the left. Think about it. You’re travelling down the left fork at 60-70 mph, the car “suddenly veers right” enough to travel to the right side of the gore point, yet the left side of the car has all the damage. For that to have happened, it had to have veered hard back left to hit the right side of the wall. No mention of this.

    2. I know that AP1 (on which I have an estimated 30,000-40,000 engaged miles, about 70% highway and 30% surface streets) has a maximum amount that it will turn the wheel at a given speed. Because of this limit (which I assume AP2 has too), I think it’s even more unlikely that the described maneuver could have occurred, especially at a high rate of speed.

    Sorry, not buying the story.

    Edit: looking closer at the picture I see the damage on the corner of the barrier, which is possible. But at such speeds, I find it unlikely that the car veered right hard at high speeds, there was no skidding, and it just clipped that barrier. (2) still applies, and more is coming out RE the driver making some mistakes in this situation and being distraced...and now it looks like he was overcorrecting for an “apparent” excessive steering input. Will take it over to the Model 3 thread where they’re discussing this, but long story short: still doesn’t add up for me.
     
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