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Discussion in 'TSLA Investor Discussions' started by AudubonB, Dec 30, 2017.

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  1. neroden

    neroden Model S Owner and Frustrated Tesla Fan

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    Oh. Then don't tell her that SIPC insurance is worthless because the SIPC will refuse to pay out if your broker is crooked (which is the only thing SIPC insurance is for). This happens to be true; look up what the SIPC did to the Madoff and Stanford victims. Basically you are SOL if your broker is crooked, so vet your broker very carefully.
     
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  2. neroden

    neroden Model S Owner and Frustrated Tesla Fan

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    That's interesting. That's actually *legally required* to go through. The better brokers *will* put your order onto the national order book if they don't execute it immediately; I've been the "bid" or the "ask" on TSLA.
     
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    Great information that I will discuss with some friends. We had been talking how many are trying to sewer Tesla, be it the big oil, a competitors or even the UAW, that some employees could try to do it from the inside. Now there is proof but I have a feeling Elon and whoever is now investigating with keep the results under wrap. Too bad the media is not all over this like a Tesla fire.
     
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  4. AudubonB

    AudubonB One can NOT induce accuracy with precision!

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    #11364 AudubonB, Jun 18, 2018
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  5. AccelAdvent

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    No - I’m afraid I made my holdings and gains way more dramatic sounding than necessary - this is just in a RobinHood account :). I was just caught up in the fun of this rally, and imagining what it must be like to be a bear fearing the impending margin call - figured there may be an alternate universe with reverse margin calls coming in :)

    I am quite happy with my 268% returns thus far on the options though. Still primarily a long stock holder, but these dips just felt like too good of a chance for leverage - if ever I wanted to trade rather than invest, this seemed the right time. I still think I’ve got more gains coming before expiration. But none of the options money was anything I wasn’t afraid of losing; we’ll see where it ends up.
     
  6. AudubonB

    AudubonB One can NOT induce accuracy with precision!

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    So I was reading Electrek’s article on the Audi E-Quattro this evening....this was the accompanying photo...
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    ...and I got to wondering:
    Those first and third gentlemen to the right: are they former Audi executives? Joe Arpaio also would want to know.
     
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  7. Causalien

    Causalien Prime 8 ball Oracle

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    I think both orders were pending on their internal pool before it goes on the national. Just so happens that the time spent on the internal pool is longer than I'd like to wait. So I sent the order directly to the exchange I wanted and problem solved.

    So lesson learned. Don't use smart order routing at your broker. Specify an exchange. But even then, you never know what your broker is doing even if you force it. I read about someone trying to find a broker that doesn't front run them and was surprised to discover that even Interactive Broker does it. In any case, all anecdotal. Us retails don't have the resource to conduct official tests.
     
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  8. Lhan

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    Front of car "designed" for enormous grill to fit, i wonder if there's actually something behind it thats needs air.
     
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  9. hobbes

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    Should probably explain why I disagree.
    - Don´t like Elon starting a rumour like that if he doesn´t have proof. If he does, he should say so.
    - In consequence, don´t like it if people jump right on and continue the rumour
    - I think there is a difference between cheating by making your own products look better (which is bad and people are rightly facing the judicial consequences now, see Audi boss who got arrested) and sabotage of another company (which is worse IMHO).
     
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  10. justvisiting

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    The fact that Elon is now resorting to blaming blatantly illegal activities like industrial espionage and sabotage for his failures suggests the endgame is indeed near.

    here, fixed that for you
     
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  11. 22522

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    If you look at pay structure of all employees and the value of having an employee in a competitor's facility... I had an uncle who said a Ford man in a management position at Studebaker killed them.

    The guy who runs Sears is killing them - so they say.

    Why does the UAW want a board member?

    How much money/family lifestyle is at stake?

    Have you sever seen one employee sabotage the efforts of another at the same company?

    People cross the "goodwill to all" line every day. Lying about how much you poison a shared resource and sticking a broomstick through the spokes of a competitor are both on the wrong side of that line.
     
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  12. avoigt

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    Interesting, I did think they look rather in Eastern Europe but: Germany is a leading choice for Europe

    Hard to find enough workforce here, over regulated in order to build a GF and strong Unions..... but you have all the "competition" nearby with them loosing revenue and reputation (my prediction) people may like to move over.


    1. do you agree that it's probably tactically wise for tesla's 1st european gigafactory to be placed in germany (nervous automotive country)? :)

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    Germany is a leading choice for Europe. Perhaps on the German-French border makes sense, near the Benelux countries

    3:07 AM - 19 Jun 2018
     
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  13. Boomer19

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    i use interactive brokers and i’ve never felt like i’ve been slighted in any way. i trade stock and options, very few fx trades. sometimes when you use smart, on larger options orders (say 30 contracts), you may hit multiplie exchanges offering NBBO (say 10 contracts each) and you can have executions at 3 exchanges which may cause the commissions to escalate a bit. but this is expected to get the best price. as prior commenter said you can not use smart, and go directly to one exchange, you may pay less comm, but may take longer to get filled on your limit. it’s nkt so much a complaint as it is just sometimes that happens when you’re messing around with a bunch of options contracts. anyway its still less than it was when i used td
     
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    I forgive him considering that competing auto manufacturers have been up to their neck in blatantly illegal activities for several years. Audi chief Rupert Stadler, for instance, was arrested just yesterday.
     
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    The design department?
    Robin
     
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  16. Brando

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    1980s living in Marin County and my neighbor worked at Wells Fargo in the Pension Management group. They had just broke $100 billion in funds they managed. His job? Manage Wall St. Banksters. Trades were in the billions. General strategy? Keep the top 80% and sell of the bottom 20% of low performers. He group was even using computer modeling to help keep track. He'd go to NY and switch Banks. He said none of the Bankster could resist the extra profit trading and switching firms the only way they could try to keep to a min. Buy low, sell high get in the middle of the trades. Corrupt to the core. You figure out how to make money doing it - Bankster made out just fine too. What a game. Bankster rules. Especially with Glass-Steagall repeal. If they steal from small investors, I'm sure it is all programed into the computers. Volume and volatility they keys. Varies by the minute or should I say second.

    have fun and good luck
     
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    Proving that shorts are negative people with no sense of humor...
     
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  19. ggr

    ggr Expert in Dunning-Kruger Effect!

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    He was missing a sarcasm indicator, I think.
     
  20. Reality

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    Got it, my bad
     
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