Yes, the legacy automakers aren't exactly risk free. Ford boasts a dividend of 5.34% right now. But with a share price that's essentially been on a decline since the 2008 market freak out recovery, owning Ford stock right now is arguably as risky as Tesla, but with no upside. GM went bankrupt, it isn't unthinkable that Ford could too. A large company with declining revenues, that is exiting market segments, and, frankly, having no ideas on how to regain momentum (other than hanging on for dear life to the F150), is hardly a company I personally want to own, even with a 5% dividend.
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Yes, the legacy automakers aren't exactly risk free. Ford boasts a dividend of 5.34% right now. But with a share price that's essentially been on a decline since the 2008 market freak out recovery, owning Ford stock right now is arguably as risky as Tesla, but with no upside. GM went bankrupt, it isn't unthinkable that Ford could too. A large company with declining revenues, that is exiting market segments, and, frankly, having no ideas on how to regain momentum (other than hanging on for dear life to the F150), is hardly a company I personally want to own, even with a 5% dividend.
And why is that? As usual, just an opinion but no facts. JRPs argument was that you have very few followers, and your tweets dont get liked/retweeted much so their visibility is low. Why do you think this is wrong? Please explain
Ford Weighs Halting F-150 Output After Supplier Fire
Supplier fire may cause Ford to halt production of the F150.
Thats a pretty long text, and as im unfortunately not getting paid to bash Tesla ill keep my answer short.
Do you, Mr. Reciprocity, with 3.685 post in a dedicated Tesla forum, a new Twitter Account to battle "misinformation", and your constant ecouragements to fellow Tesla Investors to tweet 10 times a day for the good cause, happen to see the irony in your statements?
If Montana, Tesla Charts or any of the guys you mentioned is really on Jim Chanos (or somebody elses) payroll, I hope you get at least twice as much from Musk.
Is coordinating and measuring the impact of Twitter "campaigns" really worth discussion in an investor forum?
The idea that there's some "coordinated campaign" on either side is ridiculous (including Elon's participation).
We're earnest shorts. I own January put options. I'm here posting to (a) look for blind spots and (b) encourage others to look at their own blind spots.
Any serious investor in an individual security isn't going to base their investment on Twitter sentiment.
dc_h
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Have they submitted paperwork admitted personal and professional failure publicly and before god? I don’t hear a hue and cry yet from the tslaq crowd about this, maybe it’s just an unfortunate event. Not a planned outage to improve production, but not something a ceo needs to fall on a sword for.
RobStark
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Ukrainian Rednecks have an answer for the F Series shortage....
Waiting4M3
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I think Tesla can do $35B in 2019. Also assuming China GGF breaks ground in 2019, I think it will hit full stride between 2021-2024, driving tremendous growth, 25-30% could be under-estimating.
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Distillate inventories are sinking and this has significant implications for semi reservations and oil investors.
Distillate inventories are sinking and this has significant implications for semi reservations and oil investors.
So after i asked you to defend your statement with facts, and not just opinions, you just "disagree" the post and drop the topic? whatever...
RangerRick
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Sorry for the junior moderating, but can we make a separate "2018 Investor Beef Rap Battle & Twitter Throwdown" thread for everyone's favorite ad hominems and get back to, well, any other topic?
DurandalAI
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I was going to say, we have a few new obvious trolls with new accounts all over these threads with the clear intention to pick fights and provoke arguments with long standing members.
Will our moderators step in eventually?
I got into an argument on another forum about an ETF called AMZA. It has, currently, a 25% dividend! Who wouldn't want to invest in that? The problem is that 5 years ago it was worth over $25/share with a net asset value of around that. Today it's $7.47, with NAV of 7.29. So basically it's selling assets to give dividends, and if you held it for those 5 years you've made, basically, nothing.
Five years ago Ford was $15.08, today it's $11.06, which is $4.02 loss... funnily enough, that's 26.6%, almost exactly 5 years of 5% dividend. Oh, and 4 years ago $F was much higher! If you bought then, you're much worse off. I just used 5 years for a level playing field.
I don't know, I think Henry Ford wouldn't be that impressed yet
Looking at the model t wiki, Ford Model T - Wikipedia, they went from 10,000 in 1909 for $22,000 (inflation adjusted) to making over 2,000,000 in 1923 for $5000. That's like if Tesla makes about 6,000,000 (adjust for pop growth) base model 3 in 2031 for $8750. Though hopefully Tesla will maintain a much higher standard for employees/supply chain/sustainability than Ford did.
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It looks to me like they only made 2,011,125 Model Ts in 1923. So you only overstated it by ~50%.
It is a valid point, and I agree somewhat. I think Reciprocity adds a great value to this forum, and highly likely is not paid. I also think there are just as many shorts who are very passionate about their viewpoints, add value to others ideas who are not paid to schwill out misinformation.
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