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Genesis GV60 comparison to Tesla 3/Y

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TL;DR - neither is better.

I’m due to collect my (white/white/19”) Y next week but I became interested in the Genesis GV60 when it was announced some time ago and some of the initial reviews have been very favourable. I finally had a test drive of one yesterday - the two motor Sport version. I’m still going ahead with buying the Y but hopefully if I do decide I prefer the GV60 I shouldn’t lose too much selling the Y…and Tesla actually gave me the best price on my 2020 Model 3.

I appreciate this forum is mainly people who already have a Tesla or have ordered one but in case there are people here trying to decide between different EVs, I hope the comparison below helps. Of course it is all subjective. I am not a Tesla fanboy. I fully appreciate what Tesla has done in spearheading the development of EVs, but I do not workshop at the altar of Elon. :)

Efficiency - no contest. On the exact same journey as the test drive, my Model 3 easily averages at least 4 miles/kwh. I would expect a Y to get slightly less. The GV60 got 3. This has pretty much been the case with every EV I’ve test driven, Tesla gets this so right.

Refinement - GV60 is easily better than my 2020 Model 3 and a MIC Model Y which I’ve been test driving recently. It just has a feeling of solidity about it. All the touchpoints are nice and it is so much quieter than the Model 3 (and the Model Y). The test car did have the B&O sound system which has active noice cancelling which might have helped. Although the ride was firm it was more forgiving than either Tesla.

Performance and handling - the test car was the mid range Sport model, on paper slower 0-60 accelerating than any 3 or Y but in real world overtaking there was little in it. As expected the 3 handled better and I would say the Y probably also handled better though at the expense of a harsher ride than the GV60. Annoying that the GV60 required one pedal driving to be switched on every time it was started. I was surprised to find I did quite like the ability to vary the rate of regen depending on the type of road.

Driver Aids - an easy win for the GV60. It read all speed limits and adjusted speed appropriately in a section of roadworks where the Test doesn’t even see the speed limits. Proper blind spot monitoring, not a video image in part of the screen that is obscured by your arms when driving. Head up display was very good. 360 degree cameras, reversing out of bay cross traffic warnings etc.

Infotainment - no outright winner here. The B&O Sound system was hugely impressive, much better than the Tesla. The GV60 relies on wired Apple Car Play for things like Spotify etc. With regard to Sat Nav, I preferred the head up display on the GV60 rather than having to glance left and down to the Tesla screen and hope that it’s zoomed in on a complicated junction. But the fact that Tesla uses Google maps so you can type in the name of any business is very useful. You might be able to do this with the GV60 but it didn’t have its Connected Services set up so not sure. But of course, the Tesla screen is unbeatable for YouTube, Netflix etc (except for when Theater launches with a blank screen and the only way to fix it is to change the onscreen language, reboot, change the language back again and reboot again).

User interface - I really dislike the Tesla UI. Too much of the screen is dedicated to showing me what’s around the car, wheelie bins, dancing traffic lights. I’ve got windows and mirrors for that. Warning messages with tiny grey on black text etc. They could make this so much better. The GV60 is almost the opposite - so many buttons! Sometimes buttons are a good thing, especially for things like climate control but the GV60 does seem to have gone overboard. But everything that I need as a a driver is there and is clear. The demo car had cameras and screens instead of door mirrors - not a fan but normal mirrors come as standard.

Space - another win for Tesla - especially the Model Y. I was surprised at how little leg room there was in the back of the GV60 given how cavernous the same platform Kia EV6 and Hyundai Ioniq 5 are. There is some under boot storage and a small frunk but they’re tiny compared to the 3/Y.

Other stuff - Tesla gets a lot of the other stuff right in a way that other manufacturers don’t. I can’t find anywhere in the GV60 user manual which tells you how to switch off internal alarm sensors if you need to leave a dog in the car for a while so the chances of being able to do that AND leave the climate control on are probably nil! The GV60 has nothing like Sentry mode. Even though it has keyless entry and exit you still need to carry an old fashioned fob, although that might change if Apple Keys is implemented. With Tesla, you get in the car, put it in drive and go; with the GV60 you have to press a Start/Stop button - if I’m getting in the car it’s highly likely I’m going to be driving it. I love the idea of Vehicle To Load on the GV60 and the chilled seats really do work better than I thought they would. Pin To Drive makes the Tesla almost theft proof, the GV60 has finger print recognition but I think this is to recall seat position etc, not a security device.

Price - the basic Y is now £57990. The single motor GV60 starts at £47,005, twin motor starts at £53,605, the higher performance version starts at £65,405. This includes the same basic cruise control and auto steer as the Y. Adding a sunroof adds £1,200. There are further options available and if you spec the mid range Sport to the max, you’re looking at £63k or £75k for the top of the range.

I really wanted one of them to be better than the other, but they’re not, they’re just very different to each other.


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Supercharging? How long to get one? Pouch cells?

some of the initial reviews have been very favourable
Reviewers without an axe to grind are rare. Any "professional motor journalist" seems to talk nonsense & are mostly against any cars that don't result in advertising spend or fun junkets. Can't see a Bjorn Nyland review. General Korean tech review -
 
Supercharging? How long to get one? Pouch cells?


Reviewers without an axe to grind are rare. Any "professional motor journalist" seems to talk nonsense & are mostly against any cars that don't result in advertising spend or fun junkets. Can't see a Bjorn Nyland review. General Korean tech review -
Bjorn really liked Genesis by the way. he had review in Germany if I am not mistaken
 
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Bjorn really liked Genesis by the way. he had review in Germany if I am not mistaken
Quick search doesn't find it.

More EVs, the better. I just prefer Tesla's engineering way. I really think pouch cells are to be avoided.

Reviews will focus on the car today, rather than long-term. Few are unbiased.

I can see why people don't choose Tesla, for many reasons. If a Genesis or anything else displaces an ICE new car purchase, that's great. Over time, it's replacing local pollution that is very important to me and climate change as well. But for a new EV driver, Ev is just a better experience, with just 2 downers, high initial price (saving on fuel, service later) and charging/range.

Rest more than makes up for having to learn the ropes or a little more planning.

It won't be long before parts and eventually fuel for ICE will be the problem. Parts will hit first as without a large number of ICE car sales, the more profitable parts supply will dry up as suppliers won't survive on small volumes/high costs (including pensions).
 
Quick search doesn't find it.

More EVs, the better. I just prefer Tesla's engineering way. I really think pouch cells are to be avoided.

Reviews will focus on the car today, rather than long-term. Few are unbiased.

I can see why people don't choose Tesla, for many reasons. If a Genesis or anything else displaces an ICE new car purchase, that's great. Over time, it's replacing local pollution that is very important to me and climate change as well. But for a new EV driver, Ev is just a better experience, with just 2 downers, high initial price (saving on fuel, service later) and charging/range.

Rest more than makes up for having to learn the ropes or a little more planning.

It won't be long before parts and eventually fuel for ICE will be the problem. Parts will hit first as without a large number of ICE car sales, the more profitable parts supply will dry up as suppliers won't survive on small volumes/high costs (including pensions).
I cannot find it as well.

but I clearly remember I have seen it in the end of the 2021.
I was watching like more or less every video from him at the time as making decision, and if not mistaken, it was during his trip to Germany where local german dude let him to check it out...

or maybe I am wrong and it was Nio and Hongqi at that time...
 
Excellent review - I had my eye on ev6 for a while - the length 175 inch is better for me - I was at a dealer and was told no lease deals maybe $900 per month ? - kea in general reliable - but there might be one mechanic just trained to fix it - do to low volume and only sold in 3-4 states in us so far - Alan g
 
The GV60 Performance in Canada right now costs $8k less than a Model Y LR ($79k for the GV60 vs $87k for the Model Y) and the GV60 has quilted nappa leather, ventilated front seats, a gauge cluster, Apple CarPlay / Android Auto, heads up display, a whack of other stuff, and still has similar acceleration numbers etc

Now if we're talking a Model Y LR before all the price hikes, that's a different story
 
If you have £70K or 75K kind of cash, go for a Bimmer or Mercedes which are nicer and better. Genesis failed to sell many few years ago with ICE and could well fail again with the EVs too since value conscious people would go for equivalent Hyundai/Kia. Best to avoid any white elephant.
 
Excellent review - I had my eye on ev6 for a while - the length 175 inch is better for me - I was at a dealer and was told no lease deals maybe $900 per month ? - kea in general reliable - but there might be one mechanic just trained to fix it - do to low volume and only sold in 3-4 states in us so far - Alan g
I thought EV6 was pretty good. Apologies to anyone who is a Tesla fanboy, but ride in a nice car, like a BMW some time: Tesla interiors are really, really crappy. EV6 is pretty nice.

Summary: Ev6 is noticeably darker inside than MY, slower than MY, lower rated range, less interior space than MY, no preconditioning at this time. EV6 slightly better turn radius (MY is crap crap crap), much faster charging (which makes up a lot for the range), interior much, much nicer (but not BMW nice), instrument cluster and buttons really nice to have, normal blind spot alarm good, heads-up display wonderful, overhead parking view ABSOLUTELY KILLS TESLA.

I had to "buy" an MY because I need max range, preconditioning for winter, and probably the charge network will remain better for some time in many places. I say "buy" in quotes because though I put a deposit months ago, it appears to be magical thinking that I'll get one before I'm dead at this rate... (not a "P", no expensive paint, so I'm hosed).

If I would compromise even a little bit on the range, I would probably order an EV6. As the OP pointed out, Tesla makes insanely accelerating, pretty efficient, reasonably operating cars you can believe will still be supported for a while. But cars are a whole lot more than just going, and Tesla sure comes up short in a whole lot of those other categories (sorry Elon). Keep your mind and your eyes open for other stuff coming along, that's my advice.
 
I thought EV6 was pretty good. Apologies to anyone who is a Tesla fanboy, but ride in a nice car, like a BMW some time: Tesla interiors are really, really crappy. EV6 is pretty nice.

Summary: Ev6 is noticeably darker inside than MY, slower than MY, lower rated range, less interior space than MY, no preconditioning at this time. EV6 slightly better turn radius (MY is crap crap crap), much faster charging (which makes up a lot for the range), interior much, much nicer (but not BMW nice), instrument cluster and buttons really nice to have, normal blind spot alarm good, heads-up display wonderful, overhead parking view ABSOLUTELY KILLS TESLA.

I had to "buy" an MY because I need max range, preconditioning for winter, and probably the charge network will remain better for some time in many places. I say "buy" in quotes because though I put a deposit months ago, it appears to be magical thinking that I'll get one before I'm dead at this rate... (not a "P", no expensive paint, so I'm hosed).

If I would compromise even a little bit on the range, I would probably order an EV6. As the OP pointed out, Tesla makes insanely accelerating, pretty efficient, reasonably operating cars you can believe will still be supported for a while. But cars are a whole lot more than just going, and Tesla sure comes up short in a whole lot of those other categories (sorry Elon). Keep your mind and your eyes open for other stuff coming along; that's my advice.
Very good review. Also, think about after-sales service and software updates. Many Hyundai/Kia garages aren't qualified to take on EV, so you need to book dates based on the specialist's availability. Then the software is not the strongest point for most automakers. In general there are no perfect EVs right now and Teslas can get you from A to B for fast and cheap with decent comfort.
 
I thought EV6 was pretty good. Apologies to anyone who is a Tesla fanboy, but ride in a nice car, like a BMW some time: Tesla interiors are really, really crappy. EV6 is pretty nice.

Summary: Ev6 is noticeably darker inside than MY, slower than MY, lower rated range, less interior space than MY, no preconditioning at this time. EV6 slightly better turn radius (MY is crap crap crap), much faster charging (which makes up a lot for the range), interior much, much nicer (but not BMW nice), instrument cluster and buttons really nice to have, normal blind spot alarm good, heads-up display wonderful, overhead parking view ABSOLUTELY KILLS TESLA.

I had to "buy" an MY because I need max range, preconditioning for winter, and probably the charge network will remain better for some time in many places. I say "buy" in quotes because though I put a deposit months ago, it appears to be magical thinking that I'll get one before I'm dead at this rate... (not a "P", no expensive paint, so I'm hosed).

If I would compromise even a little bit on the range, I would probably order an EV6. As the OP pointed out, Tesla makes insanely accelerating, pretty efficient, reasonably operating cars you can believe will still be supported for a while. But cars are a whole lot more than just going, and Tesla sure comes up short in a whole lot of those other categories (sorry Elon). Keep your mind and your eyes open for other stuff coming along, that's my advice.

EV6 was on my shortlist but the Tesla charging network, range, driving fun and overall ownership experience kept me in the Tesla family, as did the space in the MY, better for the dog in the boot. I switched my Model 3 for a Model Y. But EV6 looks a really good option.

Had the Y a couple of weeks now and while I agree with most of your post, I’d disagree with you on interior quality. I’ve had BMWs. I’ve had Audis so I have experienced plenty of others. For me, Audi offers the best interior quality of any car I’ve had. But the new Model Y is much, much improved over the 2019 Model 3 I had. Everything is tighter, more solid and better quality. It is not “really, really crappy” in my experience so far.
 
I thought EV6 was pretty good. Apologies to anyone who is a Tesla fanboy, but ride in a nice car, like a BMW some time: Tesla interiors are really, really crappy. EV6 is pretty nice.
Not too many fanbois on here most of them get annoyed by all the honest discussion of Tesla's shortcomings and leave. Someone posted the other day that there were too many Tesla haters on here 🤣
 
This applies just as much to Tesla as everyone else except the likes of BMW and Merc, whose software is very good.
It's always greener on the other side. I am not a fan of "Engine start button" and "Engine info" shown by a Mercedes EV.

Here is an example of BMW failing all of a sudden without warning at motorway speeds. If you watch the video, you can see the ping-pong effect where the car would steer left and right continuously as it scans the lane markings. The reviewers mentioned that they received a new update which has improved the assistance feature.

 
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It's always greener on the other side. I am not a fan of "Engine start button" and "Engine info" shown by a Mercedes EV.

Here is an example of BMW failing all of a sudden without warning at motorway speeds. If you watch the video, you can see the ping-pong effect where the car would steer left and right continuously as it scans the lane markings. The reviewers mentioned that they received a new update which has improved the assistance feature.

Didn't watch all of it but they were singing the BMW's praises from what I saw. As for the failing without warning, maybe if they kept their eyes on the steering wheel status symbol on the HUD instead of chatting away and not paying attention they would have noticed the lane keeping assist had disengaged.

Fair enough. I'm not a fan of the buggy firmware, phantom breaking, crap wipers and headlights.
 
It's nice to see both sides of the spectrum here despite being on a cult like turf (Tesla lol).

@Jason71 I think you're right in that most of the childish fanbois ran off, which is good. I've noticed TMC to be a lot more mature than the typical forums out there with a bunch of young kids. Definitely a different crowd here and it makes sense.

[From my post in another thread regarding this.]
I was originally going to buy the Genesis GV60 Performance, which is far better built, superior material quality, superior tolerance levels, superior fit & finish, excellent warranty, loaded with tech and with very good performance.

There are uTubers already clocking in 3.8 secs (I foresee it getting faster in the mid 3's with the right driver), including major auto magazine companies, which puts it right inline with the MYP. The 10 sec boost button can be used over and over again, back to back, unlike the Ford mach-e with a weak 5 second that can NOT be used back to back etc... also the HMG (Hyundai Motor Group, includes Genesis and KIA) EVs are pretty linear with providing power throughout a wide range of SOC, unlike Tesla that starts dropping off after ~80% SOC.

The GV60 is pretty innovative with things like facial recognition to lock and unlock your doors (data stored internally*), finger print reader*, smart park to roll your car forward or backwards with the remote, V2L (Vehicle to Load) adapter to power pretty much anything (offering 16A / 1900 watts) of power etc... You can use the V2L to charge another EV and there's a full 16A/1900W outlet inside of the car as well.

Also, the Drivers Assist / Safety Suite / LKA on the Genesis is next level. You'd be shocked.

HMG EVs are also built on the bidirectional E-GMP 800v architecture platform and yes it really can charge 10-80% in just 18 minutes. It's not a gimmick. There are a ton of videos showing this.

You can also charge HMG EVs on Tesla chargers so that's a huge plus for HMG products. - The only other EVs that has a monster 800v architecture are Porsche and Lucid.

If it wasn't for the stupid stealerships with the lowest scums of the earth sales jerks and the ridiculous $7500-$15000 mark ups, I would have gone with the Genesis GV60 Performance in a heart beat.

My second choice was either the IONIQ5 N or EV6 GT (both >3.5 sec cars), but those won't be available til the end of this year and I didn't feel like waiting.

This is why I went with the M3P, which I think is a fantastic EV in respect to its performance and looks. In my opinion I think the Model 3 in general is the best looking rig in the line up and it will and has aged well.

The Genesis, KIA and Hyundai EV offerings are fantastic and outshines the 3 and Y in almost every category.

HMG (Hyundai Motor Group) in general has:
  • Superior Build quality
  • Superior Material quality
  • Superior Quality Control
  • Way more practical features
  • Innovative Tech
  • Longer warranty
  • No ridiculous panel gaps or half assembled parts
  • More useful features
  • A bidirectional 800v E-GMP architecture (Very rare as only Lucid and Porsche remain as the few that offer this)
  • 10% to 80% Charge in 18 Minutes. / 5 min charge will yield you 62 miles of range.
  • V2L (Vehicle to Load) Adapter + a plug inside of their EVs that offer 1900w/19A of power
  • You can charge another EV with the V2L Adapter
  • Strong efficiency in respect to the battery capacities offered
  • Amazing Safety Suite 2.0 that ranks among the best in the industry
  • Lane Keep & Driving Assistant that is touted by many to be the best in the industry
In addition to the included standard stuff above, the Genesis GV60 offers a lot more than the 3 and Y as well:
  • Facial Recognition
  • Finger Print Scanner
  • Smartphone as key (same as Tesla, but the point being that even others don't offer this.)
  • Ability to send someone a digital key via your smartphone
  • Massaging Driver Lumbar Support.
  • Heated and Cooled Front Seats. HUGE!
  • Heated Rear Seats
  • 3 Years of Complimentary 30 min charging
  • Actual Luxury Features
  • A Real Luxury Vehicle Experience
  • Smart Park: Move the car forward and backward with the remote that's FREE
  • Head Up Display that rivals the likes of Mercedes etc..
  • 0-60 Time on par wit the MYP
  • Retracting shade for the panoramic glass roof

There is a lot going for HMG right now and in my opinion one would have to be blind to not see the tremendous success they are having with their first large scale EVs.

The IONIQ6 was just announced on the 14th that will compete against the Model 3. The IONIQ6 has the slipperiest drag coeffiency of only 0.21 that puts it right on par with the Lucid and EQS.

Watch out for the HMG N (>3.5 sec) EVs that are coming out as well, which will bring more disruption to the EV world. If they price the IONIQ5 N at $59,990, game over in the performance category and class. - But of course the scum bag stealerships will likely ruin that with mark ups...

I'm very happy with my choice to go with the M3P as I think there are a lot of good stuff going for it as well despite the QC issues etc... I think it's the best looking Tesla model in the line up, offers the best performance in its class, don't have to deal with idiots (stealerships), readily available for the most part, and has a strong charging network. I'm just annoyed that for a ~$70K car that it doesn't offer a HUD, Heated and Cooled Seats etc... a major annoyance.

The EV race has begun and I think that HMG will among the Top 3 here going forward. Tesla does have a decade+ head start, which by default puts it ahead by a lot, however, I think HMG and VW are the two strongest runner ups. VW really has to do something though because their ICE turned EV platform offerings aren't that impressive if you look closely into what it offers. As for the domestic brands, GM talks a lot, but fails to produce and Ford still inherits the typical cheap domestic quality interiors, which they along with the domestic offerings need to address for it to get away from the uhaul truck quality material and build quality. Efficiency is another area that the domestic brands lack (real world data not paper data).

It's all about how well a manufacturer will be able to scale and secure resources moving forward like what Tesla is doing and so far in the US HMG is ahead on investing BILLIONS to build EV only plants along with a dedicated battery plant for large scale production. This is in addition to converting their existing ICE plants to produce EV moving forward.

Remember when Elon said that anyone can make a concept, that's easy... but being able to actual produce it is another story... I think we'll see a lot of start ups fail. I think Rivian is hurting right now from what I hear due to various issues and poor management and companies like Fisker etc... I know I know, Fisker who? Exactly my point and I think Elon's right in that a lot of these start ups will vanish and go pooooof....

We shall wait and see on how things unfold, but what an exciting time to be alive to witness these fancy golf cars that can make most ICE performance cars look like they're going backwards.
 
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