So I signed up this evening for the super off peak rate and looking at the rate sheet...Georgia power super off-peak charging (11 PM to 7 AM) rate is 1.4164 cents/KwH for EVs. Just wanted to share this finding.
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SDRick
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Can't be. Is that the total charge with transmission fees, line fees, etc?
At that price I can almost afford a long extension cord to your state.
At that price I can almost afford a long extension cord to your state.
Here's the rate sheet link...
https://www.georgiapower.com/docs/rates-schedules/residential-rates/2.30_TOU-PEV.pdf
https://www.georgiapower.com/docs/rates-schedules/residential-rates/2.30_TOU-PEV.pdf
So based on this is my following math correct? Just a buck to charge 85% capacity or 225 miles or range...about half a penny per mile?
100% Capacity (kWH): 85
85% Capacity (kWH): 72.25
Estimate Range (miles) on 85% Charge: 225
Cost Per kWH : $0.014164
Cost to Charge 85% or 225 miles of range: $1.02
Cost per mile: 0.45 cents
Cost to charge annual mileage (10000): $45.48
Now looking at the last 30 miles of consumption on the dashboard...
Consumption(WH/mi) 345
Using the formula to convert WH/mi to mi/kWH...mi/kwh = 1 / ( # Wh/mi ) * 1000
We get Miles/kWH: 2.90
Consumption...Miles at 85% charge 209.42
Cost per mile: 0.49 cents, so about half a cent per mile.
Cost per Annual Mileage of 10,000 miles : $48.86
100% Capacity (kWH): 85
85% Capacity (kWH): 72.25
Estimate Range (miles) on 85% Charge: 225
Cost Per kWH : $0.014164
Cost to Charge 85% or 225 miles of range: $1.02
Cost per mile: 0.45 cents
Cost to charge annual mileage (10000): $45.48
Now looking at the last 30 miles of consumption on the dashboard...
Consumption(WH/mi) 345
Using the formula to convert WH/mi to mi/kWH...mi/kwh = 1 / ( # Wh/mi ) * 1000
We get Miles/kWH: 2.90
Consumption...Miles at 85% charge 209.42
Cost per mile: 0.49 cents, so about half a cent per mile.
Cost per Annual Mileage of 10,000 miles : $48.86
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As a quick calculation for comparative costs in San Diego,
Summer super off-peak: $0.18/kWh, 0.345 kWh/mile consumption
Cost per mile: 6.21 cents
Cost per 10,000 miles: $621
Just for sh*ts and giggles, to drive a Prius with current gas prices of $2.50/gal, 50 MPG:
Cost per mile: 5 cents
Cost per 10,000 miles: $500
Summer super off-peak: $0.18/kWh, 0.345 kWh/mile consumption
Cost per mile: 6.21 cents
Cost per 10,000 miles: $621
Just for sh*ts and giggles, to drive a Prius with current gas prices of $2.50/gal, 50 MPG:
Cost per mile: 5 cents
Cost per 10,000 miles: $500
SDRick
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My home is surrounded by hardwood trees, so no chance of solar for me, especially at this rate to charge from the grid.
Just for reference my Florida Power & Light rate in 10.8 cents kWh with no variation.
They are proposing an increase so they can build more power plants, as well as supporting a ballot initiative to make customer use of wind and solar more difficult, in order to nuffify the encouragement amendment we just passed yesterday.
I pay an extra ~10% to use Arcadia wind power instead of FPL.
They are proposing an increase so they can build more power plants, as well as supporting a ballot initiative to make customer use of wind and solar more difficult, in order to nuffify the encouragement amendment we just passed yesterday.
I pay an extra ~10% to use Arcadia wind power instead of FPL.
1.4 cents, that's is cheap!!!
Here's SoCal Edison rates on Time of Use "D" schedule. Luckily i have solar that offsets most of the bill.
Here's SoCal Edison rates on Time of Use "D" schedule. Luckily i have solar that offsets most of the bill.
There is a monthly $10 connect charge so your yearly will be at least $165.48. Then all those other fees tacked on for which nothing is said about how much they add.
Is this a 2nd meter dedicated to the EV? How much does THAT cost to install?
Meter install pending...cost TBD, so are other costs. Will report back after the meter is installed.
With Alabama Power I'm paying a 9¢ flat rate for the house and it gets discounted by 1.7155¢ between 9pm and 5am due to having an EV:
http://alabamapower.com/residential/pricing-rates/pdf/pev.pdf
I would love to be able to switch to the "Time Advantage" plan where you reduce usage during peak hours but I work from home and in the summer it's just not feasible to shut the AC off. Quite jealous of the Georgia Power super off-peak rate!
http://alabamapower.com/residential/pricing-rates/pdf/pev.pdf
I would love to be able to switch to the "Time Advantage" plan where you reduce usage during peak hours but I work from home and in the summer it's just not feasible to shut the AC off. Quite jealous of the Georgia Power super off-peak rate!
bkp_duke
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So, this is why I hate, with a burning passion, SDG&E. There is a reason Solar is so prevalent here in San Diego, these guys are basically a legalized monopoly. We have the 2nd most expensive power rates in the country (not far behind Hawaii).
Now, here comes my RANT:
Back in 2002 when there were the rolling brown-outs, these guys were all about getting solar customers connected to the grid, to help reduce the strain on their power-generating capacity during peak hours. They supported Net Metering and over the course of the next 10 years or so made things attractive to customers to get panels installed, even though the cost of panels was relatively high compared to today. In the end, the BENEFIT to them was this was far far cheaper than having to invest in additional grid-level generation capacity. The Net Metering rules also benefited them greatly for anyone that installed "too much" solar capacity and was a net producer. They got to buy that power from the
Fast-forward to today: The cost of electricity keeps going up from the grid here in SDG&E territory (average 7-8% per year). This increase keeps pushing everyone that can afford to do so to buy solar panels. The result is that there is now a surplus of energy during the daytime hours and SDG&E often has to shut down their own production to prevent oversupply on the grid. Instead of selling energy, they are now buying it back (albeit at insanely cheap levels from their customer base). Now, Net Metering has turned in to a dirty word for them and they are petitioning the CaPUC to remove net metering (they failed this year, but did get concessions for new clients, like a $150 one-time charge for new solar customers and a buy back of only 90% of what customers put into the grid). Rates also continue to rise. Tier 1 starts at 19.2c/kWh, up from 17 last year, and Tier 2, 3, and 4 which gradually introduced higher rates up to 40c has been replaced by just Tier 2, which is 39c/kWh. Oh, and Tier 1 is VERY small, like ~400kWh of usage.
What these idiots that run this company don't understand is that tactics like this will push a great many customers to on-premises battery systems to store their excess capacity and not share it with the grid. I am already looking to install one of these within the next 3 years and go 100% off-grid and give the big middle finger to SDG&E.
/RANT done
Now, here comes my RANT:
Back in 2002 when there were the rolling brown-outs, these guys were all about getting solar customers connected to the grid, to help reduce the strain on their power-generating capacity during peak hours. They supported Net Metering and over the course of the next 10 years or so made things attractive to customers to get panels installed, even though the cost of panels was relatively high compared to today. In the end, the BENEFIT to them was this was far far cheaper than having to invest in additional grid-level generation capacity. The Net Metering rules also benefited them greatly for anyone that installed "too much" solar capacity and was a net producer. They got to buy that power from the
Fast-forward to today: The cost of electricity keeps going up from the grid here in SDG&E territory (average 7-8% per year). This increase keeps pushing everyone that can afford to do so to buy solar panels. The result is that there is now a surplus of energy during the daytime hours and SDG&E often has to shut down their own production to prevent oversupply on the grid. Instead of selling energy, they are now buying it back (albeit at insanely cheap levels from their customer base). Now, Net Metering has turned in to a dirty word for them and they are petitioning the CaPUC to remove net metering (they failed this year, but did get concessions for new clients, like a $150 one-time charge for new solar customers and a buy back of only 90% of what customers put into the grid). Rates also continue to rise. Tier 1 starts at 19.2c/kWh, up from 17 last year, and Tier 2, 3, and 4 which gradually introduced higher rates up to 40c has been replaced by just Tier 2, which is 39c/kWh. Oh, and Tier 1 is VERY small, like ~400kWh of usage.
What these idiots that run this company don't understand is that tactics like this will push a great many customers to on-premises battery systems to store their excess capacity and not share it with the grid. I am already looking to install one of these within the next 3 years and go 100% off-grid and give the big middle finger to SDG&E.
/RANT done
JPP
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...man, do I live in the wrong state, or what...
In NoCA, PG&E is not much better behaved than SDG&E (see rant #19 above). My best night rate is about $0.11/kWh. Peak rate during the day is something like $0.35+/kWh. Glad I have solar....
In NoCA, PG&E is not much better behaved than SDG&E (see rant #19 above). My best night rate is about $0.11/kWh. Peak rate during the day is something like $0.35+/kWh. Glad I have solar....
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