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Give up your Model 3 .

Will you buy Model S?


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Xiao ma ge

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Feb 9, 2017
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Hongkong
Elon musk try to persuade us to buy Model S and give up our Model 3 by these comparison charts.Will it change your previous plan?
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ABVA

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Nov 2, 2013
433
112
Northern Virginia
Feature to feature Model S wins. Now it comes to price point and then Model 3 price point comparison to other cars.
We currently have two Model S in the family and two Model 3s on reservation. Most likely the oldest Model S will go when 3s arrive.
 
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Gwgan

Almost a wagon
Aug 11, 2013
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2,168
Maine
Model 3 will be the second car in the household. So my vote is Already have an X, Will buy a 3. We don't need two big premium cars.
 
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davinci2017

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Feb 3, 2017
267
275
Milpitas, CA, USA
I cannot relate to most of that list since I have an S60 and the comparison falls on its face.

Range is pretty much similar to the Model 3
0-60 is the same
I can seat 5 adults and no more (no rear facing seats)
I dont have ANY of the so-called "premium" features listed as I have solid roof and non-PUP 19's
AND I didng get powered rear lift-gate either since they added it after I bought the car

Looks like I already have a Model 3 then :S
 

Max*

Charging
Apr 8, 2015
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My biggest issue is the "1,500+" number. It sounded like they were too lazy to calculate what it actually is.

It took me all of 1 minute
If it includes software options: 223,104 configurations
If it's hardware only configurations: 74,368 configurations


While yes one-hundred thousand is more than 1,500. It makes it hard for me to believe the 100 number for the Model 3.

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ETA: It seems that instead of doing actual math, they took about 10 variables, assumed they each have 2 options, and did 2^10 + some fluff = 1,500+ configurations!

If that's the case, should I expect only 6-7 options on the Model 3? (Color, Wheels, Interior color, battery size, AWD and EAP/FSD)
 
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ev-now

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Jul 30, 2015
565
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Denver, CO
I cannot relate to most of that list since I have an S60 and the comparison falls on its face.

Range is pretty much similar to the Model 3
0-60 is the same
I can seat 5 adults and no more (no rear facing seats)
I dont have ANY of the so-called "premium" features listed as I have solid roof and non-PUP 19's
AND I didng get powered rear lift-gate either since they added it after I bought the car

Looks like I already have a Model 3 then :S

Me too, and as I just vented elsewhere, Elon/Tesla has done a lot to devalue the S60 this year with the MS pricing changes and reinstating supercharging for all the 2017 purchases to date.

Two M3 reservations, waiting to decide - but through your lens, you're right - pretty much have one already.
 

whttiger25

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Jun 25, 2016
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Oakland, CA
My biggest issue is the "1,500+" number. It sounded like they were too lazy to calculate what it actually is.

It took me all of 1 minute
If it includes software options: 223,104 configurations
If it's hardware only configurations: 74,368 configurations


While yes one-hundred thousand is more than 1,500. It makes it hard for me to believe the 100 number for the Model 3.

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ETA: It seems that instead of doing actual math, they took about 10 variables, assumed they each have 2 options, and did 2^10 + some fluff = 1,500+ configurations!

If that's the case, should I expect only 6-7 options on the Model 3? (Color, Wheels, Interior color, battery size, AWD and EAP/FSD)
Would have made more sense to sum all configuration options rather than multiply.
 

Max*

Charging
Apr 8, 2015
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NoVa
Would have made more sense to sum all configuration options rather than multiply.
You lost me... if we're trying to gather the total configuration options, you multiply, not sum.

Think of it this way, you have an option of 3 apples (red, green, yellow) and 2 knives (dull, sharp).
If you sum, you get 5 combinations

When in reality, if you multiply, you get 6:
red apple, dull knife
red apple, sharp knife
green apple, dull knife
green apple, sharp knife
yellow apple, dull knife
yellow apple, sharp knife
 

tpham07

Active Member
Mar 21, 2017
1,965
2,201
Rhode Island
I cannot relate to most of that list since I have an S60 and the comparison falls on its face.

Range is pretty much similar to the Model 3
0-60 is the same
I can seat 5 adults and no more (no rear facing seats)
I dont have ANY of the so-called "premium" features listed as I have solid roof and non-PUP 19's
AND I didng get powered rear lift-gate either since they added it after I bought the car

Looks like I already have a Model 3 then :S

Me too, and as I just vented elsewhere, Elon/Tesla has done a lot to devalue the S60 this year with the MS pricing changes and reinstating supercharging for all the 2017 purchases to date.

Two M3 reservations, waiting to decide - but through your lens, you're right - pretty much have one already.

This has nothing to do with the S60 lol.

0-60 is not the same. Model S is 0.3 seconds faster.
Seating is not exclusive to the S60. Most people do not buy the rear seats.
Not having the premium features was your choice. At least you had the choice, as opposed to people buying the Model 3 who won't.
Lift-gate, once again an option/choice you neglected to pick, nothing to do with the S60 or Model 3. Its not like the PUP/Liftgate came standard on the 75 or 90 before the 60 was discontinued either...

"I already have a model 3" ignores the fact that you have free supercharging, a much larger cargo capacity, much larger cabin, a driver dashboard in addition to center console, etc...

Not sure how reinstating free supercharging devalues a S60, because the S60s get the free supercharging as well, so doesn't that increase the value? #confused
 
Mar 11, 2010
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I cannot relate to most of that list since I have an S60 and the comparison falls on its face.

Range is pretty much similar to the Model 3
0-60 is the same
I can seat 5 adults and no more (no rear facing seats)
I dont have ANY of the so-called "premium" features listed as I have solid roof and non-PUP 19's
AND I didng get powered rear lift-gate either since they added it after I bought the car

Looks like I already have a Model 3 then :S
no, you have soo much more storage space, and 2 screens ;>
 
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Petra

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Jan 31, 2015
813
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Palmdale, CA USA
I understand why they're anti-selling the Model 3, but that doesn't make that comparison sheet any less BS--comparing top-end S specs to incomplete base model 3 info. If anything, this comparison sheet just further convinces me that all the S really has going for it is the liftback design and more cargo space... at a $35k premium.

This'll certainly make for an interesting comparison video with my Model S.
 

whttiger25

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Jun 25, 2016
580
759
Oakland, CA
You lost me... if we're trying to gather the total configuration options, you multiply, not sum.

Think of it this way, you have an option of 3 apples (red, green, yellow) and 2 knives (dull, sharp).
If you sum, you get 5 combinations

When in reality, if you multiply, you get 6:
red apple, dull knife
red apple, sharp knife
green apple, dull knife
green apple, sharp knife
yellow apple, dull knife
yellow apple, sharp knife

I get it....I just don't really think 224k configuration options is relatable to the consumer. My point is that total number of options, rather than total number of unique configurations, is more relatable.

Plus...I am not really sure how there are ONLY 100 configurations for the 3. To me that's nothing at all. I mean there have to be at least 6 paint colors and 4 rim choices based on what we've seen. That's already 24, and that's before we get battery/range options, interior options, dual motor, performance, autopilot/fsd. I do not understand their math at all...
 

Max*

Charging
Apr 8, 2015
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I get it....I just don't really think 224k configuration options is relatable to the consumer. My point is that total number of options, rather than total number of unique configurations, is more relatable.

Plus...I am not really sure how there are ONLY 100 configurations for the 3. To me that's nothing at all. I mean there have to be at least 6 paint colors and 4 rim choices based on what we've seen. That's already 24, and that's before we get battery/range options, interior options, dual motor, performance, autopilot/fsd. I do not understand their math at all...
Right, that was my point. The 1,500 number is BS, so the 100 number is likely wrong too.

Also, the 224k number is low based on historical Tesla trends. I think at one point it was 2M+ configurations.
 

Canuck

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Nov 30, 2013
6,125
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South Surrey, BC
So the third biggest selling feature after performance and range is free supercharging. Yet at the same time, Tesla says that "supercharging is for long distance travel only" -- that is, unless they use it as a selling feature. Then that changes to buy an S or X and "help yourself all you want to the supercharger down the street". While Tesla may not expressly say that, that's what the chart above says to everyone with no mention of travel at all.

I just can't see how in the future superchargers can be kept free for travellers when there's a ton of Model 3s out there on road trips, plus all the S/X owners with free supercharging for life.

I really wish the superchargers came with a pay-per-use cost to everyone since that would limit them to travellers and people who really can't charge at home. If Tesla was really interested in moving us towards EVs as being comparable to ICE for not only our daily commute, but also our travels, they should not be sacrificing open superchargers for increasing their bottom line. Bad Tesla!
 
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Mike K

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May 15, 2013
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Los Angeles
Can't believe some of you want the first 3's off the line. It took Tesla about four years before the S was a solid vehicle.

How so? I had an early VIN 2013 and while it had it's share of common early build issues, it was hardly a lemon and cars coming off the assembly line just mid-way through 2013 were substantially better.

I wouldn't say my 2015 is a substantially better vehicle unless the only metric I'm basing that on is overall speed. Likewise with the brand new cars. They have many of the fit and finish issues of the older cars.
 

Sir Guacamolaf

The good kind of fat
Mar 15, 2016
1,150
1,831
Not in a Tesla
If Model 3 is a reliable EV, it'll be my next car.

Tesla wants to sell you Model S - because it has a higher profit margin and it can sell you Model S today.

Tesla wants to discourage you from buying Model 3 because frankly ramping up production to support that number of cars is not only very complicated and expensive, but also begs the question - what do you do with all that production capacity, once the wait times have come down to a few weeks?

I wouldn't be surprised if this is followed with a higher than expected Model 3 price, and a lowering of Model S price.
 

Sir Guacamolaf

The good kind of fat
Mar 15, 2016
1,150
1,831
Not in a Tesla
Plus look at the premium features,

- Bigger car .. don't want.
- Aluminium ... don't want.
- HEPA .. don't care
- Air suspension .. don't want.
- Pano roof .. don't want
- Glass roof .. model 3 also has this.
- Autopresenting door handles .. don't want
- 21" wheels .. don't want
- Range .. Model 3 has enough
- Supercharging .. I rarely use it, and fine will pay per use.
- Displays .. not that big a deal esp. considering the price
- Performance .. Model 3 has enough

The only REAL disadvantages of Model 3 are, lesser carrying space, and longer delivery time.
The rest of the things that Tesla has illustrated sound like advantages to me ;-)
 

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