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stopcrazypp
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A mid point between the two gets you something like the Prius (and perhaps the 3 series GT), where the rear looks ugly, but at the same time it doesn't really solve the rear headroom issue (the hatchback mechanism is still there). That's why Toyota introduced the Prius V, which moved the styling back to closer to a traditional hatchback.
Ye of little faith. In the right hands the 3 Series GT could turn into a functional beauty.
Audi has Audi A5 Sportback. Same size/class as Model 3.
IMO Tesla likely just wanted that huge glass window...
The new model:
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The I-PACE is really only slightly smaller in exterior volume than the Model S.
Googled these volumes (in³):
Code:
f-pace 186 x 82 x 65 = 991380
audi a8 207 x 77 x 58 = 924462
bmw 5gt 196.8 x 74.8 x 61.4 = 903847
bmw 7 207 x 75 x 58 = 900450
model s 196 x 77 x 57 = 860244
i-pace 184 x 74.4 x 61.4 = 840541
bmw 5 195 x 74 x 58 = 836940
audi a6 194 x 74 x 58 = 832648
audi a7 196 x 75 x 56 = 823200
bmw m5 194 x 74 x 57 = 818292
model 3 184 x 74 x 57 = 776112
audi a4 186 x 73 x 56 = 760368
mb c 185 x 71 x 57 = 748695
bmw m4 185 x 74 x 54 = 739260
a5 sb 186.3 x 72.6 x 54.6 = 738486
mb c43 185 x 71 x 55 = 722425
bmw m2 176 x 73 x 56 = 719488
audi a5 182 x 73 x 54 = 717444
bmw 3 179 x 71 x 56 = 711704
bmw 4 183 x 72 x 54 = 711504
bmw 2 175 x 70 x 56 = 686000
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For what it is worth, I shall issue a proclamation that, on the evidence of your hundredth post on this thread, that @AnxietyRanger is officially on the permanent record as stating unequivocally that the Model 3 should have been a hatch in the style of a smaller model S. At your instruction, I will mail you a notarized and hermetically sealed original version of the proclamation on papyrus scroll that you can use to shoo away non-believers and save yourself the trouble of 100 more posts.
Well, that decides it then. Tesla made the right decision to make the model 3 a "pure" sedan
Well, that decides it then. Tesla made the right decision to make the model 3 a "pure" sedan
Just because BMW made an ugly car does not mean the sportback/gran turismo form-factor is not beautiful or even classic.
We have Model S to prove.
And in Model 3 size/class the Audi A5 Sportback:
Ye of little faith. In the right hands the 3 Series GT could turn into a functional beauty.
Audi has Audi A5 Sportback. Same size/class as Model 3.
IMO Tesla likely just wanted that huge glass window...
The new model:
Even you got to admit you can't know it is the back. It is very sleek. It is a great form-factor.
We have Model S to prove it too.
Is it possible Tesla tried the same and could not put their Cd magic into a hatch? Sure. But we don't know that. Wanting that glass design is quite plausible too...
You're probably right. Elon said "design me a car that can have big glass in back. To hell with anything else."
I concede.
Interesting from a "footprint" perspective the IPace and Model 3 are so close!
This is probably what I picked up on. Particularly it being noticeably narrower than my S
I guess this is a Euro vs. U.S. thing. I can not understand the opposition of a sporty hatch in these discussions. You talk as if it must be a Prius and it is impossible aero-wise anyway.
I don't get that. Does the Model S form-factor really seem so foreign and strange to you? It is common enough in Europe. I see A5 Sportbacks every day. They are very popular.
A5 Sportback is a very beautiful and functional Model S style form-factor in a Model 3 size car. It is not some impossible anomaly these threads make it sound like.
Sure, but Model S is hardly the car for you if you're worried about headroom in the backseat. The problem isn't making a hatchback with Model 3 dimensions, the problem is that you can't have your cake and eat it at the same time.
I hope you are not referring to I-pace as being sleek, sure if we compare with a traditional ICE designs but Tesla is miles ahead in EV design fundamentals. I would put down a deposit for a Model Y today without seeing its alpha prototype yet would not even consider an I-pace.
stopcrazypp
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This looks good because they kept the roof profile low, but is the same situation as the "mini-Model S" which we already know is possible (no one disputed that), but compromises rear headroom.Ye of little faith. In the right hands the 3 Series GT could turn into a functional beauty.
Audi has Audi A5 Sportback. Same size/class as Model 3.
IMO Tesla likely just wanted that huge glass window...
The new model:
947 mm rear headroom for UK specs
https://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/audi-a5-dimensions-0360
974mm rear headroom for 3 series GT UK specs.
2016 BMW 3 Series Gran Turismo 330dA SE Interior features - MSN Cars
To make it clear, no one is saying that you can't have a mini-Model S, just that it'll have the same headroom issues, which Elon said was specifically the reason not to go with that design.
If you want to keep a similar design and make room for headroom, you would have to move the roof beam back, which gets you to the uglier look of the 3 series GT (because the slope begins later).
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I felt a lot of people disputing that, so good to hear at least some are not.
I get it that there are pros and cons to every shape of course. I have no problem with your post.
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