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GM’s new Ultra Cruise: Hands-free driving on all paved roads in US/Canada
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diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
Ultra Cruise has not been released yet. It looks good on paper but we don't know how it will actually perform in the real world yet.
AlanSubie4Life
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Also it will be years before it is useful on city streets. A very familiar situation…
Hopefully someone at some point will focus on making a car that doesn’t crash.
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
Maybe but we don't know that. Cruise obviously has autonomous driving that works well on city streets. If GM adapted that tech, they could make Ultra Cruise work well on city streets. Just because Tesla's FSD sucks at city driving does not mean that other companies' FSD will also suck at city driving. But that is why we need to see Ultra Cruise in action, to see how good it is on city streets.
Making a car that never crashes is impossible. It is not just about preventing the car from running into things, that's doable. But sometimes, other vehicles will collide with you and you can't avoid the collision.
AlanSubie4Life
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Yeah we don’t but we will see. There’s the issue of bringing the capability and the issue of it being useful (probably pretty hard to argue the Cruise driving is actually useful if there is a driver in the seat - except for preventing collisions of course, as seen in videos).
Haven’t taken a Cruise or Waymo ride so no idea what they’re like but I assume it is pretty unpleasant. Unfortunately there are no videos addressing these aspects. Or at least I have not bothered to watch them, and I am just making broad assumptions here. No need to spend my time on that since few people seem interested in producing videos with information in them.
It’s interesting how even in today’s world you have to experience something yourself to have any idea of what is going on.
Obviously I am talking about preventable collisions!!! Sure. The idea is to try to eliminate preventable collisions.
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
Not sure why you assume Waymo and Cruise rides are unpleasant. There are plenty of videos of Cruise and Waymo that address the ride quality and the riders usually seem very happy. The available evidence actually suggests the majority of rides are very pleasant.
Yes that is the goal of every AV company. Waymo, Cruise etc are all working to eliminate preventable collisions. So not sure why you say that you wish someone would work on that since lots of AV companies are literally working on that now.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
I could say the same about most (though not all) FSD Beta videos.
Hopefully this is something they have worked on. As we have discussed before, as a convenience feature, remember it has to be fast as well (not cautious). This is an additional hard requirement added on top of the robotaxi requirement. So will be interesting to see how the whole UltraCruise package will come together.
(Of course this goes away if we’re talking about a L3-L5 feature set where people will be a lot more tolerant of behaviors since there is minimal cost and no liability.)
I mean on the vehicles being sold to people. I realize they are working on it but seems like there are a lot of distractions. It’s not clear that building and selling those types of features would be revenue maximizing.
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diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
No, you are not missing any. But Cruise is a company that does driverless cars. Super Cruise, Ultra Cruise and Blue Cruise are L2 systems. So they are not the same thing.
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
No, you are seeing the raw lidar output, with just some colors added. You asked about the resolution. Waymo says the resolution is very high so the 3D point cloud is very dense as you see in the picture I shared. The resolution is high enough that the NN is able to detect and classify individual pedestrians, cyclists, car door open etc... So to your question of whether lidar has high resolution to detect and classify objects, the answer is yes.
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diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
They can't just make one good cruise version because they are from different companies. "Super Cruise" and "Ultra Cruise" are GM's L2 systems. "Blue Cruise" is Ford's L2 system.
When you say it can't go above 80 or any curves, which system are you talking about? GM's super cruise or Ford's blue cruise?
Tam
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The article below explains how Blue Cruise is less capable than Super Cruise
GM's Super Cruise vs. Ford's Bluecruise: Compare hands-free driving systems
When it comes to hands-free driving and the promise of self-driving cars, GM's Super Cruise technology has a big headstart over Ford's Bluecruise.
The question is: Does Blue Cruise uses HD Maps just like GM and Waymo do?
Tam
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Went viral when Sandy Munro tested Blue Cruise on highway curves and Ford engineer called them sharp curves
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
"Cruise" is name of a company doing robotaxis. Nothing to do with Super Cruise, Ultra Cruise or Blue Cruise.
"Super Cruise" is name of a L2 driver assist system for highway driving by GM.
"Ultra Cruise" is name of an upcoming L2 driver assist system for city driving by GM.
"Blue Cruise" is name of a L2 driver assist system for highway driving by Ford.
They just happen to share the same word "cruise" in the name but that is a coincidence. The company "Cruise" is not making Super Cruise, Ultra Cruise or Blue Cruise. They having to do with each other.
Tam
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Cruise has only one variant: Autonomous Vehicles. It's classified as L4 with no human driver picking up rides such as in San Francisco, Austin, and Phoenix.
MikeHolliday
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