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GM: 20 all-electric vehicles (not electriFIED) on the way in the next 5 years

Discussion in 'Electric Vehicles' started by bro1999, Oct 2, 2017.

  1. bro1999

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    Twenty new electric vehicles are on the way, GM says

    And 2 new BEVs based off the Bolt will be released in the next 18 months. One of them is probably the Buick-based Bolt, not sure what the other may be. The Volt (and any other EREVs) and plain hybrids are not counted towards the total. A few FCVs may be included though. :rolleyes:

    "GM believes in an all-electric future and a world free of automotive emissions," said Mark Reuss, GM's executive VP for product development, purchasing, and supply chain. "When the Bolt EV was announced at CES it was described as a platform, and this is the next step."

    Most eye catching IMO: "but sadly photography was not allowed, and no one took the wraps off what looked like either a Corvette or Camaro variant. (looks like that variant is the 4th vehicle from the left in the below photo)

    This should put to end any debate about how serious GM is about EVs.

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    Did you catch that GM is going to invest in a fast charge network?
     
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    Where are they sourcing the batteries, one wonders?
     
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    https://jalopnik.com/gm-joins-electric-revolution-and-plans-20-evs-by-2023-1819064357

    The other EV is reportedly some Caddy wagon. So like an all-electric CTS-V or something?

    And an all-electric Corvette.... :eek:

    At the event, according to Automotive News, GM showed off three clay models of vehicles designed for the new propulsion system, including a Buick crossover, Cadillac wagon and a “pod-looking vehicle” carrying a Bolt EV badge. Another six were kept under sheets, the news outlet said, including one that “appeared to have the silhouette of a Chevrolet Corvette.”
     
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    GM plans at least 20 new electric, fuel cell vehicles globally by 2023

    Fletcher said GM is planning to introduce the new vehicles in key, emerging segments. She also added that GM will help with "accelerating" the deployment of rapid-charging stations for its customers. There are currently more than 1,100 available publicly to GM customers in the United States. She declined to provide further details, citing more details "to come soon."
     
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    So, what they have been doing for the last 5 years regarding charging.

    How much production capacity for these 20 new electric vehicles?

    Just to enough to meet legal requirements in China,CA,OR and Quebec or 1M plus?
     
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    You don't plan for 20+ BEVs, then sell them in minimal compliance numbers. 1 BEV is all you would need for those purposes via badge engineering if that was GM's intent. This is much, much bigger than that.
     
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    You very well might if compliance numbers require 10%,12%, and 15% of the fleet be BEVs.

    It may not be much more than meeting increasingly tough compliance numbers.

    You can't sell 15% of your California fleet as Bolts.
     
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    With GM, you should already know what's under those car covers:

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    I'm waiting on the celebration from the franchise dealership [sarcasm] sales teams and service departments!

    They're gearing up as we speak!
     
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    IF General Motors builds a decent EV like a high horse Caddy or Camaro/Corvette, there is still the problem of Charging. Most stations with the owner being independent of the car company are neglected/down when you need them the most. This works for the hardcore owners like Tesla Roadster/early Model S, but the majority of people will not go for 6-10 hours of RV park charging on trips. They will just buy a gas car, and rightfully so.

    Even Tesla Supercharger stops get really old after a while, and they are free. It's a no go to go with CcS or ChAdEmO for your fast charging. They either pay to play with the Supercharger network or build their own. Any other way is a sure way to failure.
     
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  12. stopcrazypp

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    Depends on how much volume they are selling and where they are selling. A big backdrop are the huge EV quotas China has introduced (to the point that even anti-EV brands like Toyota are forced to make them).

    A bunch of different automakers have made similar announcements, but it remains to be seen how significant they end up in real life.
     
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    Ah, no.

    Add badge engineering in, especially across multiple countries, and it isn't that impressive. Chevrolet alone as 20 some odd models. Buick has 9 models. Cadillac as 11. Add in GMC and the models launching only in China, and no, it isn't that much by 2023.

    Let's see some signed joint ventures for battery cell production, or solid commitments to battery sourcing. Let's see some volume numbers. Just to meet Chinese mandates, GM and especially Buick will have to have a substantial amount of BEVs shipping in the next few years. Separate out the governmental mandates from CARB + EU + China, and then see if these companies are actually announcing efforts beyond that.
     
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    Depending on the asking price, this sounds like it might be a repeat of the ELR. GM doesn't seem to fully understand consumer psychology. If they released a Cadillac or Buick EV first and then a cheaper Chevy version later, consumers may think they are passing down the improvements in technology. However, doing it the other way around, people think they are charging a premium for the badge.
     
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    plus more on fuel cells to show how serious this effort is.

    "GM also introduced SURUS — the Silent Utility Rover Universal Superstructure — a fuel cell powered, four-wheel steer concept vehicle on a heavy-duty truck frame that’s driven by two electric motors. With its capability and flexible architecture, SURUS could be used as a delivery vehicle, truck or even an ambulance — all emissions free"
     
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    I am sorry!

    If Elon says he wants to go to the moon, I would believe it. And if he says he wants to go to mars, I would believe it.

    There is no question that sure, GM has been very competent doing a non-practical car that cannot go long distance with a decent charge time (a Tesla coast-to-coast trip in less than 3 days).

    But a practical car that can do a road trip like Tesla can?

    I am sorry, I don't believe it until I see it!
     
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    Well, they'll be happy about the fuel cell vehicles...lots of moving parts to be replaced there...:rolleyes:
     
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    Electrek says that Panasonic is going to do prismatic cells. Seems like they want a piece of the pie.
     
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    I would be interested in seeing if GM can provide “big power” and long range with their existing prismatic cell technology. So far few have shipping vehicles that offer both.
     
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    How to compete with Tesla:

    1) create own supercharging infrastructure by mandating all GM dealerships have one.
    2) create good looking cars (the bolt is such an ugly car. The world could be burning in flames created by spilled crude oil, and dolphins could be drowning in six pack, plastic soda rings by the thousands; and I still wouldn't be caught in that thing...I know you guys agree with me since sales of the Bolt seem to be so bad)
    2) use 2170 cells outsourced from the Gigafactory. It's cheaper. Wear a hat and a mustache when asked by Elon why/who wants to buy so many cells. Just say it is for an uncle's ebike factory in China. If pressed more on the subject, rip off hat and mustache and say, "GD Eon, you did say you wanted a world run with electric vehicles!!! Didn't you!!!"
    3) Have production goals and deadlines. Miss them, but not as bad as Tesla misses their dates.
    4) Create FSD option.... That is all..Just create the option. FSD isn't really required, but do have expected deadlines for FSD. If it doesn't pan out, just explain "hey, man... FSD is hard. What did you expect?"...
    5) create S-E-X-Y; GM already has the "S" from the Spark. The "E" from the ELR. GM only needs an "X" and a "Y".

    Yes, that's how GM can compete with Tesla. This CEO thing is not hard at all ;-P hahaha. J/k. In all seriousness, if there's anyone that compete, it would be GM. They just need to get their act together. They are so close. After all, the Volt was revolutionary for its time. The Bolt was created within, IIRC 14months??? They have the manufacturing chops (corvette is awesome). They just need to cross the Rubicon. Go all out with no compromises. Don't be so timid with electric cars.
     
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