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GM Developing ($30k)Car to Rival Tesla

Discussion in 'Electric Vehicles' started by RobStark, Sep 16, 2013.

  1. RobStark

    RobStark Active Member

    Jul 2, 2013
    Los Angeles
    Cost of Advanced Battery-Technology Remains Hurdle to Building Longer-Range Vehicles

    General Motors Co. GM +0.44%is developing an electric car that can go 200 miles on a charge for around $30,000, officials at the largest U.S. auto maker said, offering a challenge to luxury electric-car startup Tesla Motors Inc. TSLA +0.63%

    Doug Parks, GM's vice president of global product programs, disclosed the effort on Monday at GM's battery laboratory and test facility in Warren, Mich., but didn't say when the car would be available. He said while the technology is available now, the cost of the batteries remains too high to be able to pull off the feat today.

    GM's move to raise the profile of its battery research efforts comes as Tesla is challenging the established auto industry's claim to technology leadership with its $70,000 and up Model S. Mr. Parks' comments came just a few days after Germany's Volkswagen AG VOW.XE +0.43%said it intended to become the largest seller of electric vehicles by 2018.

    Analysts and industry executives say Tesla, GM, VW and the current global electric vehicle sales leader, Nissan Motor Co., 7201.TO -0.20%all face the same problem: current electric vehicle batteries are too expensive, and deliver too little usable driving range compared with vehicles powered by internal combustion engines.

    The number of electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles for sale in the U.S. has more than quadrupled to 15 vehicles since 2010 as auto makers roll out new models to comply with government mandates. But sales of electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles account for less than half of one percent of the overall market, despite price cuts, discounted leases and government tax incentives that can add up to as much as $12,500 a vehicle depending on the state.

    GM has sold nearly 15,000 of its battery-powered Chevrolet Volt cars this year through August, aided by incentives and discounts. The Volt's extended range comes from a gasoline engine that recharges its battery.

    Nissan's approach is to argue that extending the range of electric vehicles to 200 miles isn't worth it because most people don't drive farther in a day than the Nissan Leaf's 75 miles of all-electric range. The Leaf costs $28,800 in the U.S. before federal tax credits.

    Tesla is the lone auto maker to offer long-range electric vehicles with its Model S—and Tesla still hasn't shown it can steadily make money selling them.
    Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk said recently that "it didn't require a miracle" to sell a 200-mile range electric car for around $35,000 in the next three or four years.


    Kevin Gallagher, a chemist and researcher at the Department of Energy's Argonne National Laboratory, said auto makers are spending about $500 a kilowatt hour on battery packs. That means the 24 kwh pack on the Nissan Leaf would cost around $12,000. Last year, Ford CEO Alan Mulally said the battery on the Focus EV with 23 kwh of energy costs between $13,000 and $15,000.
    Tesla Chief Technical Officer JB Straubel says the company's battery costs are half or even a quarter of the price of the industry average, partly because of the company's strategy to use thousands of commodity battery casings rather than the specialized batteries that GM and Nissan use.


    It is great that GM spends billions of dollars at the Skunkworks projects and that they continue to have the most patents of any automaker every year.

    But this rarely translates to high tech innovations in cars they actually sell to the public.

    Same GM. A great electric car is always 10-20 years in the future.
  2. Soflason

    Soflason Member

    Feb 19, 2013
    I agree, Seeking Alpha just posted this news too:
    Tesla Motors Inc (TSLA): General Motors has big goals in EV market - Seeking Alpha

    I think it's just saber rattling, they want to project an image that they're innovating to Tesla's level, but, I doubt this will come to fruition before or around the launch of the Model E. More likely, it will show up (if ever) afterwards and it will cost more than they anticipated...
  3. widodh

    widodh Model S R231 EU

    Jan 23, 2011
    Middelburg, The Netherlands
    On the other hand, this will keep Tesla sharp. Without competition (serious or not) they will get lazy at some point.

    Competition is good to keep all the players at their edge.
  4. TylerCA

    TylerCA Member

    Sep 1, 2013
    portola valley, ca
    We are living in a new era of technology
  5. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Active Member

    Jul 12, 2012
    GM has been working on this for quite a while so it's nothing new. All that hapeened was GM showed some journos around their battery labs so were asked questions and this old information was treated as new. GM's pushing the Volt and their engineering cred (to make up for current weaknesses).
  6. T B

    T B President, Tesla Club Sweden

    Feb 20, 2012
    So basically they are saying the only thing stopping them from making a $30 000 electric car is that it would cost more than $30 000 if they made one?

    Then it is not a $30 000 electric car any more.
  7. brianman

    brianman Burrito Founder

    Nov 10, 2011
    Indeed. Well put.
  8. rolosrevenge

    rolosrevenge Dr. EVS

    Feb 7, 2009
    Right behind you...
    Don't we already have two of this thread already?

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