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Go Fund Me for EV Charging in SE NM

Discussion in 'Mountain/Southwest' started by nwdiver, May 23, 2019.

  1. nwdiver

    nwdiver Well-Known Member

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    Looks like the odds of incentives for purchasing EVSEs just went up significantly...
     
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    I live in Artesia and work for Eddy County. Both the County and City rejected (it may have been rookie to attempt the city and county and not private), But I have a lead for Whites City for those Carlsbad Caverns Folks. Unfortunately, this does not help with the North travelers looking to ride to Roswell and up to the Santa Rosa Supercharger Stop, unless you are willing to trickle charge.
     
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    Whites City would be helpful.
     
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    Please PM me details. I would love to install a EVSE in Whites City.
     
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    Let your McDonalds owner know that we appreciate it. We stop, charge and buy a meal every time we head north. That 4% charge up has saved us many times...

    Matt in Artesia
     
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  6. SageBrush

    SageBrush REJECT Fascism

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    The McD's owner is a Tesla driver and a supporter of EVs. He is also no dummy when it comes to increasing his franchise profits.

    I'll guess it costs him ~ $0.6 of electricity to bring an EV to his destination, and few if any of these people would otherwise have stopped by. A large fraction (? all) of those who charge buy at his store and spend .... I'll guess $10 - $15.

    As advertising campaigns go, working with @nwdiver is gold.
     
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    Just 30 minutes of charge on average (at $0.12/kWh all-in)? Given the location, I would have expected a dollar or three per visitor. Still, a small amount as long as people are purchasing food while they wait.

    I look forward to the day that Tesla can handle L2 billing through the car in the same way they do it with superchargers. This will make destination charging much more attractive for property owners because it will allow them to provide charging without also subsidizing power (unless they want to).
     
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    yes
     
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    The McDs is on a residential service rate since it's a stand-alone meter with < 25kW of demand. In many ways it would actually be MUCH worse if it was fed from the business. Un-managed a single car charging for 15 minutes could increase their electric bill ~$200. ($10/kW)(20kW).

    It's hard to say if the increase in business is making up for the increased cost of electricity. But this could also very well have a halo effect.
     
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    Am I following correctly, that the owner receives two bills a month -- one bill for his business and one bill for the charging setup ?
    And the EV charging is billed as a monthly connection fee + kWh charges + taxes ?
    If so, what is the monthly fee, and is the volumetric charge ~ 7 cents a kWh ?

    This all sounds dirt cheap to me, but please correct any errors.
     
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    Yes; Two separate bills. ~$9/mo and ~$0.10/kWh. I guess if someone buys a $20 lunch and charges for an hour they're probably benefiting. If someone plugs in and tours downtown Roswell for 4 hours not so much.
     
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    #174 SageBrush, Jan 16, 2021
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    I don't have any clue about the markup at McD but years ago I calculated that restaurants mark up the food COG by ~ 300%.
    If that is true for McDs also then a $20 order is ~ $14 of gross profit.

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    You got me going ...
    A large portion of McD french fries is 150 grams and costs $2
    $2 buys 900 grams of french fries at Walmart
    Figure the Walmart retail mark-up equals the cost of oil and McD packaging
    -- 6x markup.

    It seems superfluous to calculate coffee or soda or ice cream
     
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    Have you seen 'The Founder'? McDs corporate is basically a real estate company and probably does have a high margin. The franchisee is likely different.
     
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    Don’t forget labor, taxes, insurance, rent/mortgage and utilities. Food cost is only part of the picture. From my time in the business years ago, prime cost for a restaurant was 50-60%, but slow business could put a damper on that very quickly.
     
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    #177 SageBrush, Jan 16, 2021
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    You are mentioning fixed costs. I am treating EV visitors as a marginal cost which amounts to the food and packaging COGs
     
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    A number of years ago, I knew a guy who owned several McD's in a mid-sized city. He was quite wealthy.
     
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    I'm testing humanity... we'll see how long this J1772 adapter lasts. It's connected to the HPWC cable so it will at least have to be cut off if it wants to wander away.

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    Roswell has dispensed ~4200kWh so far. Not too bad I guess. I also meet an Uber Eats driver while I was there. I guess that's fair for a Uber Eats driver that delivers for McDs to be charging there. New landscaping looks nice.

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    I hope nobody backs in too far and off target.
     

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