SageBrush
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Is it as good or better than modern ICE FWD (meaning with computer aided traction control) ?
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Nice. I'm almost the opposite. I normally keep a car for a year or two. I have now had my P85D for almost three years, a new personal record for me. Now my BMW in Brazil is about to set a record too because I'll change to nothing other than a BEV and there are none yet available in Brazil except for a handful of BYD E6 (I rent those) and some superannuated fleet-only Nissasn Leaf. So I wait for my Model 3 in the US to replace my S and the Model 3 in Brazil to replace my BMW.
This time I'm almost certain that I'll trade up when AWD and P versions appear for the 3, maybe for a Y or a new revised S when it comes. For the first time in my life I'm unwilling to have anything other than a Tesla. In my own odd car history I've owned >25 brands and >75 cars. I never thought I'd become a brand loyalist but Tesla has made me one. Back in my reflections I even think I might want to get a Roadster to add to my S and X so I can have one of each. I probably will not do that, but only Tesla has made me even consider such an odd thing.
voip-ninja
Give me some sugar baby
I'll check those out but keep in mind that Norway is as flat as a pancake. I am skeptical of the performance of any RWD car, even with snow tires on icy hilly terrain.
ratsbew
Active Member
I'm hoping that enough people get RWD in their hands this winter so that we have opinions about how it handles int he snow. These reviews will be what I base my decision on. I really want AWD because I live in the midwest, but the extra cost and loss of the tax credit really make it an expensive option.
Same here. I want the 3 badly enough to pay the premium for the first generation. A few years down the road, I could definitely see myself trading up for the latest and greatest.
Can't compare EV AWD to ICE AWD, because ICE don't Regen.
Regen on front wheels is more effective and stable.
Otherwise, I would prefer RWD (as I do on any ICE).
I can't imagine Rear Wheel Regen in snow, or on icy roads, the Traction Control would be working overtime.
But I live in SoCal ; )
Regen on front wheels is more effective and stable.
Otherwise, I would prefer RWD (as I do on any ICE).
I can't imagine Rear Wheel Regen in snow, or on icy roads, the Traction Control would be working overtime.
But I live in SoCal ; )
Skotty
2014 S P85 | 2023 F-150L
Sounds good. There's only 2 primary reasons to choose AWD (3 when talking trucks, for offroad capability, but we are talking cars here). Performance and bad winter weather traction. If you don't insist on getting the higher performance, then that just leaves bad winter weather. That just depends on where you live. I used to think I needed this for Missouri winters, but seriously, there hasn't been a serious real wheel drive killing snow or ice storm here in years, and even then it gets cleared within a day or two max. And with climate change, it will likely be happening less every year.
Shock-On-T
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ModelNforNerd
Active Member
Same. My situation in a few years may mean that a Model Y would make more sense....so when that time comes, I can use my new "current owner" status to jump up in that line.
AustinPowers
Total Smeghead
Like @ShockOnT said, you must be confusing Norway with the Netherlands (which are indeed flat as a pancake
). You will hardly find many countries that are less flat than Norway...And about AWD: if it made any difference, I might think about skipping AWD. But the timing estimate on MyTesla says "Late 2018", no matter what option I choose.
WileyTheMan
Peanut Gallery Member
Not waiting for AWD. It's a nice-to-have (living in CA) but definitely not needed, even if it does make it handle better. And this thing is already pushing my budget (LR, premium package), so I can live w/o it.
K-MTG
Sunshade Captain of TMC
My Model 3 will not even look at snow...I am in SoCal and I will take my X to the mountains instead.
But how is the traction on RWD models? I previously always got AWD on all my cars since I hated having tire swirl whenever I floored the car.
But how is the traction on RWD models? I previously always got AWD on all my cars since I hated having tire swirl whenever I floored the car.
jtpassat
Member
check out the Model S threads. There are more than enough RWD Model S on the roads to answer this question. The short answer is with the weight being distributed over the back wheels, the traditional thought of RWD handling poorly in the snow is false.
I plan to get winter tires and call it a day.
I plan to get winter tires and call it a day.
Mo City
Active Member
From where I'm sitting in line, I can wait until the AWD specs are known before making a decision.
One thing is for sure: If it means the difference between the full $7,500 vs half of that, I'm not waiting.
One thing is for sure: If it means the difference between the full $7,500 vs half of that, I'm not waiting.
I ordered day1 hour1 so all three but I would opt for RWD regardless. Again, Tesla makes an awesome RWD...not some RWD Cadillac fish tailing in the snow.
harcocjh
Member
I live in Chicago and while I definitely would prefer the AWD I can not wait another 1 to 1 1/2 years for this car! So RWD it is but at least I know I'll get the full tax credit. If need be I'll get some winter tires but from everything I've read about Tesla's traction control it should be fine. Delivery estimate is Nov - Jan...can't wait!!!
voip-ninja
Give me some sugar baby
Like @ShockOnT said, you must be confusing Norway with the Netherlands (which are indeed flat as a pancake
And about AWD: if it made any difference, I might think about skipping AWD. But the timing estimate on MyTesla says "Late 2018", no matter what option I choose.
Touche. Yes, I'm thinking of the Netherlands which are as flat as Florida.
I would totally spring for AWD if it was reasonably priced and didn't add substantially to delivery of the product.
As of right now the estimator says Jan-March delivery for RWD and Oct-Dec delivery for AWD... since that will almost definitely cost me $3750 in tax incentive I will probably just get RWD.
Unless........ AWD is priced quite competitively (say, under $3500)... then I might just suck it up and get it. I really do like the handling characteristics of high powered cars and AWD based on my stint in my 340xi.
I also have to find some sucker (kind soul) to assume lease of my 340xi since it's not up till September next year,. so maybe actually I will just end up with AWD anyhow.
Bjørn Nyland is his new(in 2013) Model S P85(RWD) driving in Norway: If you want to see snow action start at 16:54
Bjørn's Tesla Model S #1: Oslo - Trondheim Norwegian winter driving
Bjørn's Tesla Model S #1: Oslo - Trondheim Norwegian winter driving
Kacey Green
Member
all of these for me, if the battery upgrade is 9k, the D will likely be similar to the Model S (maybe a hair cheaper so Musk didn't lie to us), but I will hop back in line again later, or get a Model Y
This is the only option I don't agree with not being available at launch.
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