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Green Car of the Year 2014 - includes no Electric Cars

Discussion in 'Electric Vehicles' started by hileyms, Oct 18, 2013.

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  1. hileyms

    hileyms Member

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    Found this on the World Car Fans website.

    Green Car icon1.png Journal has revealed the five finalists which will battle for the 2014 Green Car of the Year title.

    The list is far from being what you would normally expect as it doesn't include any electric cars icon1.png , although the Tesla Model S and BMW i3 would have been more than eligible for being included.
    Instead of EVs we find some diesel-powered German sedans such as the Audi A6 TDI doing 38 mpg hwy and the BMW328d which returns 45 mpg. The only hybrid included is the Honda Accord (47 mpg) also available in a plug-in version that returns 46 mpg.

    The other two cars which made the short list are the all-new Mazda3 (41 mpg) available for the moment in hatchback and sedan versions, along with the new generation of the Toyota Corolla in the Eco trim which returns 42 mpg.
    The 2014 Green Car of the Year winner will be announced next month at the Los Angeles Auto Show.

    Source: Green Car Journal
     
  2. ManuVince

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    The Audi A6 TDI... A green car...ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha (full disclosure, I do like Audi and I still own one... for the next 2 weeks)
     
  3. timf

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    There are two criteria that would exclude the Model S. First, it's not new for this year. Second, it's not affordable to the masses. The award focuses on newly released models that are widely available, and the BMW i3 is not on the market yet. My guess is the Honda Accord will win given it's the only one with gas, hybrid, and plug-in options like the Ford Fusion which won last year.
     
  4. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Active Member

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    Sums it up.
     
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    Um, hate to tell you, but the Audi A6 TDI is in basically the same price range as the Model S. It starts at $57,000.
     
  6. timf

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    Thanks, I was a little suspect on that one and missed where the base price is for the TFSI. Still, the Model S should have been up for consideration last year but it wasn't on the list. I'm sure the Gen III will garner a nomination once it's available though.
     
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    What about the Fiat 500e or the IMev or Spark? All in the "affordable" range. If that is indeed their criteria. Or is it who writes them the biggest check?


    *tin foil hat on!
     
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    I would assume that they'd have to exclude all EVs because if they are going to include a single EV then for fair comparison they'd have to include all EVs and they'd have no choice but to elect Tesla Model S as the winner. So in that case there is no point really to having any competition since Tesla has no competition.
     
  9. brianman

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    Smog is the new green.
     
  10. GSP

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    Green Car Journal is a bad joke. It is not the least bit green, nor are they the least bit informed or concerned about the environment.

    They are just a marketing tool for the automakers.

    GSP
     
  11. Zythryn

    Zythryn MS 70D, MX 90D

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    To be fair, the Spark and 500e are not widely available.
    With their qualifiers, I can easily see why the Model S I doesn't qualify.
    I would expect to see the gen 3 in the list when it arrives.
     
  12. AustinPowers

    AustinPowers Total Smeghead

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    Another problem at the moment is also that EVs really aren't that green, at least if you consider a realistic well-to-wheel comparison.
    For example with the current German energy mix, an EV like the Model S emits more CO2 than many fuel efficient Diesel or CNG cars.
    Plus if you include the pollution caused by the production of an EV like the i3/Model S/etc. (e.g. the carbon/aluminium shell, the battery) vs. a standard ICE, you will find that EVs are not that green overall.

    Note: I am not against EVs, far from it, I am waiting for Gen III as my next car. All I want to illustrate is why I think even a "Green car" journal doesn't fall for the EV hype, at least at the moment.
     
  13. Mr X

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    Smart ED .
     
  14. strata8

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    Er, does it? CO2 per kWh generated in Germany was 433 g/kWh in 2009. Account for 4% transmission losses and you're up to 450 g/kWh. According to the EPA the 60kWh Model S uses 35 kWh from the wall to travel 160 km, but NEDC ranges are 12% higher so it's closer to 180km in Europe.

    In the end you're looking at a total of 88 g/km. A comparable diesel Audi A7 or BMW 5 series emits 140-165 g/km.
     
  15. jerry33

    jerry33 S85 - VIN:P05130 - 3/2/13

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    Too bad they only count CO2, and let the car manufacturers off the hook for every other kind of pollutant.
     
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    Very true, these comparisons don't take everything into account. If you compare EVERYTHING, there is absolutely no way that an ICE vehicle even comes close.
     
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    rabar10 FFE until Model 3

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    Just heard a recent radio interview on how easy it is to win "a car award" -- mainly because there are so many different ones, from different organizations, judging as many as 20-some different car 'classes' per year -- to say nothing of who's paying for ad space in any given magazine or channel, heh:

    In the car evaluation industry, everyone is a winner | Marketplace.org
     
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    The only car awards that matter are those from Consumer Reports because that organization accepts no advertising dollars. All other magazines and websites that I am aware of depend on ad dollars from multiple car companies and thus are influenced by that revenue (despite their protestations to the contrary).
     
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