That's true now because there is growing rooftop solar competition. If Buffett and other utility companies succeed in killing rooftop solar, don't expect competitive rates to continue.
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Peak of 43 cents is deadly. (Literally, in Las Vegas heat).
We've had this conversation before and it's not relevant in this Green New Deal thread.
Yes, I guess it's important to focus on the 43 cents peak rate instead of the $500 a year for electricity.
Does this relate to Green New Deal? Or is it because it's from Warren Buffet/NV Energy, then it doesn't count?
Warren Buffett Has Started The Biggest Energy Revolution
Probably better in the "Solar PV" thread. (I think it's already posted there)Yes, I guess it's important to focus on the 43 cents peak rate instead of the $500 a year for electricity.
Does this relate to Green New Deal? Or is it because it's from Warren Buffet/NV Energy, then it doesn't count?
Warren Buffett Has Started The Biggest Energy Revolution
What's Warren Buffet owning NV Energy or me saving money on NV Energy TOU rate gotta do with Solar PV?
I did not start the discussion falsely claiming Warren Buffet is evil and ripping off rate payers. You should discuss this with the inidivual who took this OT.
Naomi Klein: Bernie Sanders' Green New Deal plan is our best hope
LAS VEGAS — This is the fastest-warming city in the country. Since 1970, the city's average temperature has risen 5.76 degrees Fahrenheit. Last summer, a study of coroner data by the Las Vegas–based Desert Research Institute identified a link between heatwaves and heat-related deaths, which experts say are on the rise. As a city that depends on tourism for its economy, a zip code with one of the state's highest poverty rates, it's no surprise that Sen. Bernie Sanders' campaign surrogates hosted an event, three days before the Nevada caucus, to specifically address climate change — and advertise why his plan is the best.
"I've looked at all the plans and Bernie's is really the only one on the scale of the crisis, and it's the only one that will bring people with us because it puts justice at the center," Klein told the crowd. She added that "carbon-centric plans" — meaning those that emphasize various direct or indirect means of taxing carbon dioxide emissions — aren't enough, and often are regressive in that they increase the cost of living for working-class people.
Bernie is the only talking about what we owe other countries, that we need to move faster, and that climate justice doesn't just stop on the border and that we have to actually help countries in Central America to leapfrog to renewable energy."
LAS VEGAS — This is the fastest-warming city in the country. Since 1970, the city's average temperature has risen 5.76 degrees Fahrenheit. Last summer, a study of coroner data by the Las Vegas–based Desert Research Institute identified a link between heatwaves and heat-related deaths, which experts say are on the rise. As a city that depends on tourism for its economy, a zip code with one of the state's highest poverty rates, it's no surprise that Sen. Bernie Sanders' campaign surrogates hosted an event, three days before the Nevada caucus, to specifically address climate change — and advertise why his plan is the best.
"I've looked at all the plans and Bernie's is really the only one on the scale of the crisis, and it's the only one that will bring people with us because it puts justice at the center," Klein told the crowd. She added that "carbon-centric plans" — meaning those that emphasize various direct or indirect means of taxing carbon dioxide emissions — aren't enough, and often are regressive in that they increase the cost of living for working-class people.
Bernie is the only talking about what we owe other countries, that we need to move faster, and that climate justice doesn't just stop on the border and that we have to actually help countries in Central America to leapfrog to renewable energy."
TheTalkingMule
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No one said Warren Buffet was evil, he did most certainly and purposely sabotage the residential solar market in Nevada, setting the entire industry back two years. if I'm not mistaken, at least one other utility he owns is doing the same thing again as we speak.
I would tie that in to the GND thread in the opposite direction of most posters. I think it points to the need for consumer right far far eclipsing the need to spend any taxpayer money on anything. That being said.....if we end up doing both I'm fine with it.
If you don't know and understand the history of Buffet/NVEnergy vs. Nevada ratepayers, you shouldn't really be jumping down people's throats.
I would tie that in to the GND thread in the opposite direction of most posters. I think it points to the need for consumer right far far eclipsing the need to spend any taxpayer money on anything. That being said.....if we end up doing both I'm fine with it.
If you don't know and understand the history of Buffet/NVEnergy vs. Nevada ratepayers, you shouldn't really be jumping down people's throats.
And almost stopped Tesla from being able to service their cars in Texas. He may not be evil, but he's certainly not helpful.
Interview with Noam Chomsky about his new book "Internationalism or Extinction"
EDITORS: There are many proposals that are gaining currency; perhaps the foremost among them is the Green New Deal. What kind of resistance should its proponents expect and what organizational decisions should progressive activists make in terms of their own coalition building to overcome such resistance?
NOAM: The main point to keep in mind is that proposals of this nature must succeed. Must, or else we are doomed. Some of the proposals are quite carefully designed, and developed in a form that can be used as a basis for organizing, notably Pollin’s work on a Green New Deal. There is of course ample reason to expect corporate resistance, both from the evidence of history and the nature of state-capitalist markets. But it seems that we have passed beyond the days when, for example, ExxonMobil executives reacted to James Hansen’s publicizing the threat of global warming in 1988 by devoting resources to engendering skepticism or outright denialism – knowing exactly what they were doing, since their own scientists had long been among the leaders in demonstrating the extreme gravity of the threats.
Internationalism or Extinction - Resilience
EDITORS: There are many proposals that are gaining currency; perhaps the foremost among them is the Green New Deal. What kind of resistance should its proponents expect and what organizational decisions should progressive activists make in terms of their own coalition building to overcome such resistance?
NOAM: The main point to keep in mind is that proposals of this nature must succeed. Must, or else we are doomed. Some of the proposals are quite carefully designed, and developed in a form that can be used as a basis for organizing, notably Pollin’s work on a Green New Deal. There is of course ample reason to expect corporate resistance, both from the evidence of history and the nature of state-capitalist markets. But it seems that we have passed beyond the days when, for example, ExxonMobil executives reacted to James Hansen’s publicizing the threat of global warming in 1988 by devoting resources to engendering skepticism or outright denialism – knowing exactly what they were doing, since their own scientists had long been among the leaders in demonstrating the extreme gravity of the threats.
Internationalism or Extinction - Resilience
Just some more benefits from stuff talked about in Green New Deal. + largest solar+battery farm approved!
NV Energy seeks $30 million in rate cuts in Nevada Oct. 1
NV Energy seeks $30 million in rate cuts in Nevada Oct. 1
With enough public pressure, looks like Green New Deals is starting...
Sweeping Senate Energy Bill Could Come to a Vote This Week
Sweeping Senate Energy Bill Could Come to a Vote This Week
Nationalizing the Power Industry Isn’t Radical
Far from a radical socialist sledgehammer, nationalization and its variants have been used by both Democratic and Republican administrations, sometimes to wide acclaim. The fuel and utilities industries, which Sanders’s platform focuses on, present a particularly good case for some kind of government intervention.
Thanks to oil and gas companies, who’ve ridden high on cheap debt since the last recession, energy carries the largest corporate debt burden of any sector. In the past month, the coronavirus has suppressed demand for oil, bringing prices below $50 a barrel, flirting close to the break-even price for producers in the American Southwest’s prolific Permian Basin. As the Wall Street Journal has reported, $137 billion worth of oil and gas debts will mature between 2020 and 2022, much of that from companies with negative cash flows; amid a recession, that could spell disaster.
Nationalizing these companies as their valuations plummet, some progressive economic advocates argue, could provide a pathway for such communities and the country as a whole to transition quickly toward a low-carbon economy, rather than suffering larger disruptions as CEOs and investors walk away with whatever’s left; coal miners have seen the latter all too often.
The Democratic Socialists of America are now running a number of campaigns to bring electric utilities under public ownership, with the aim of decarbonizing them along a science-based timeline. In the Bay Area, that’s meant calling on Governor Gavin Newsom to take control of PG&E, which is sitting in tens of billions of dollars’ worth of wildfire liabilities, thanks in large part to neglecting basic safety and maintenance measures. It’s worth noting, as well, that publicly owned utilities aren’t a rarity, either in the United States or abroad, where privatization has looked to make them accountable to shareholders rather than ratepayers.
Far from a radical socialist sledgehammer, nationalization and its variants have been used by both Democratic and Republican administrations, sometimes to wide acclaim. The fuel and utilities industries, which Sanders’s platform focuses on, present a particularly good case for some kind of government intervention.
Thanks to oil and gas companies, who’ve ridden high on cheap debt since the last recession, energy carries the largest corporate debt burden of any sector. In the past month, the coronavirus has suppressed demand for oil, bringing prices below $50 a barrel, flirting close to the break-even price for producers in the American Southwest’s prolific Permian Basin. As the Wall Street Journal has reported, $137 billion worth of oil and gas debts will mature between 2020 and 2022, much of that from companies with negative cash flows; amid a recession, that could spell disaster.
Nationalizing these companies as their valuations plummet, some progressive economic advocates argue, could provide a pathway for such communities and the country as a whole to transition quickly toward a low-carbon economy, rather than suffering larger disruptions as CEOs and investors walk away with whatever’s left; coal miners have seen the latter all too often.
The Democratic Socialists of America are now running a number of campaigns to bring electric utilities under public ownership, with the aim of decarbonizing them along a science-based timeline. In the Bay Area, that’s meant calling on Governor Gavin Newsom to take control of PG&E, which is sitting in tens of billions of dollars’ worth of wildfire liabilities, thanks in large part to neglecting basic safety and maintenance measures. It’s worth noting, as well, that publicly owned utilities aren’t a rarity, either in the United States or abroad, where privatization has looked to make them accountable to shareholders rather than ratepayers.
Merrill
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ExxonMobil 'tried to get European Green Deal watered down'
ExxonMobil 'tried to get European Green Deal watered down'
The US oil firm ExxonMobil met key European commission officials in an attempt to water down the European Green Deal in the weeks before it was agreed, according to a climate lobbying watchdog.
Documents unearthed by InfluenceMap revealed that Exxon lobbyists met Brussels officials in November to urge the EU to extend its carbon-pricing scheme to “stationary” sources, such as power plants, to include tailpipe emissions from vehicles using petrol or diesel.
Green groups believe this would be the least effective way to disincentive fossil fuel vehicles, and would rather allow countries to set their own emissions standards and targets for road emissions.
ExxonMobil 'tried to get European Green Deal watered down'
The US oil firm ExxonMobil met key European commission officials in an attempt to water down the European Green Deal in the weeks before it was agreed, according to a climate lobbying watchdog.
Documents unearthed by InfluenceMap revealed that Exxon lobbyists met Brussels officials in November to urge the EU to extend its carbon-pricing scheme to “stationary” sources, such as power plants, to include tailpipe emissions from vehicles using petrol or diesel.
Green groups believe this would be the least effective way to disincentive fossil fuel vehicles, and would rather allow countries to set their own emissions standards and targets for road emissions.
The warmest day ever in Las Vegas was 2016 in 1943. The warmest day in 2019 was 2011. If you read the entire article much of the increase in temperature in Las Vegas is due to the Urban heat effect which has nothing to do with global warming.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
I read the entire article and it said no such thing:
Heat island effect makes global warming worse in cities, but if the climate weren't warming that magnifying effect wouldn't be increasing.
TheTalkingMule
Distributed Energy Enthusiast
I've been talking to folks in the US Virgin Islands as I plan to do some work in the solar install world down there starting next winter. The USVI-owned monopoly utility that handles electricity and water desalination has recently changed the net metering rules for residential solar.
Before Hurricanes Irma and Maria completely destroyed these islands, they had regular net metering(with a super-low cap at 15MW) and a retail price of around $.31-.33/kWh. They just changed that to $.43/kWh retail and payback of $.13/kWh pushed to the grid. Absolutely asinine setup, designed purely to pay off propane/diesel contract debt and keep the status quo.
What they're already seeing, and it will rapidly accelerate, is that anyone of means is simply leaving the grid and going 150% solar+battery. This leaves only non-solar appropriate or impoverished homeowners and small business owners left to carry all the rate load. It's evolving so rapidly that they're already back at the table working on new plans.
Because energy is inherently expensive on islands, they become the canary in the coal mine for what will happen to every market fairly soon. I mean, who in their right mind will pay $.43/kWh for daily blackouts when they can pay $.09/kWh for stable solar+battery power? They have so many blackouts anyway that even batteries going dry for a freak cloudy spell isn't really anything worse than what they already have.
As system pricing gets even cheaper and more accessible, that will be our reality as well. My hope is that Elon announces a price cut for Powerwalls on Battery Day. We shall see.
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