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Socialism working its magic. People less inclined to work when they can just get free stuff.

From “The Three Roosevelts: Patrician Leaders Who Transformed America”, (James MacGregor Burns)…

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Capitalism started with the slave trade in the 1400s. Portuguese slave traders brought West Africans to Europe to work plantations. After the discovery of the new world, the slave trade and capitalism got a big boost with sugar and cotton plantations which were incredibly profitable due to the low cost of labor.
So literally, the first "capital" was human capital. Slavery has been outlawed but capitalism thrives by keeping the cost of human capital low; persuading people to work for others so they can capture the excess value created by their labor.
This is a constant battle of workers vs bosses. We are merely experiencing the latest skirmish.
 
Or to rephrase, people less willing to work for poverty wages when given other choices. Some of us see that as a good thing, you of course want people to suffer and remain in poverty.
" it wasnt even what we pay"

 
" it wasnt even what we pay"

Businessmen (and they are mostly men) are panicking about not having enough employees to exploit.
(Barry wants the government to pay people to go to work... how about Barry paying people to go to work?)
 
Ok, I relent. AT&T (Bell Labs), GE, Microsoft, Apple, Google, Facebook, Amazon, Tesla, IBM, HP, Oracle, Dell, Pfizer, J&J, Space-X, Blue Origin got nothing on those socialist democrat companies when it comes to innovation.

NASA pales in comparison - unless you believe they put a man on the moon.
Sloan Kettering, Dana Farber, Mayo, Cleveland Clinic - just following protocols developed in socialist democracies.
Whitney, Ford, Edison, Bell, Wright, Salk, Einstein - inconsequential.
Einstein was a German when he made most of the best known discoveries.
NASA could not do what it did without von Braun

And the US owes a LOT of technology advances to the United Kingdom. Radar and Jet engines, 100% British inventions (well, the Jet was simultaneously invited by German too).
 
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I mentioned it.

Successful at what?
Where did COVID vaccines come from? COVID treatments?
Which major innovation in the past 50 years came from there?
Which stopped Nazi Germany?

We live in the most equitable society in the world. Equity of opportunity, not outcomes.
Equality of opportunity requires an element of socialism. It's not black and white. Kids need to be able to attend schools (K-12), regardless of how their parents are doing financially. There needs to be universal fire and police protection. Those are all elements of socialism necessary to ensure equality of opportunity. And while I'm not an advocate of universal free college nor full forgiving of college debt, college costs are a legit issue that needs some kind of attention to ensure equality of opportunity is preseved; either additional government grants, better quality government loans, forgiveness of loan interest, and/or something to reduce the ballooning costs of college educations.
 
Equality of opportunity requires an element of socialism. It's not black and white. Kids need to be able to attend schools (K-12), regardless of how their parents are doing financially. There needs to be universal fire and police protection. Those are all elements of socialism necessary to ensure equality of opportunity. And while I'm not an advocate of universal free college nor full forgiving of college debt, college costs are a legit issue that needs some kind of attention to ensure equality of opportunity is preseved; either additional government grants, better quality government loans, forgiveness of loan interest, and/or something to reduce the ballooning costs of college educations.
Lets see, before loans were given for college, things were much cheaper. They still can be. I know so many who got loans and went to Hawaii on them. If their parents cannot teach them the value of money. I never got a loan. Got out of college in 3 years, 27 unit a quarter. Worked full time in summer and went to night school. Got out with zero debt. My kids out with zero debt. So this excuse of college being expensive is well, .. Guess what, if I want to live in SF, its expensive.

Choices
 
Lets see, before loans were given for college, things were much cheaper. They still can be. I know so many who got loans and went to Hawaii on them. If their parents cannot teach them the value of money. I never got a loan. Got out of college in 3 years, 27 unit a quarter. Worked full time in summer and went to night school. Got out with zero debt. My kids out with zero debt. So this excuse of college being expensive is well, .. Guess what, if I want to live in SF, its expensive.

Choices
Guess what,
Houston is one of cheapest cities to live in US of A.
Uni of Houston is over 5 digest per semester now, about $100k for 4 years.
 
while I'm not an advocate of universal free college
I sort of am. Low-cost community college ($250 per semester?) for top half of high-school class. After 2-years associates degree, top half get 2 years low-cost ($1000 per semester?) state university for bachelor's degree. Graduate with bachelor's degree and $5000 or less in debt.

Parallel program for trade school after high school, likely including some sort of apprenticeship.
 
Guess what,
Houston is one of cheapest cities to live in US of A.
Uni of Houston is over 5 digest per semester now, about $100k for 4 years.

UH tution and fees is $12k/yr for instate, add in $1k for books, or $52k over four years. (Yes, living at a sleep-away college costs extra for room and board, but why should kids who don't go to college pay higher taxes so others in their HS class can 'go away' to college?)

 
UH tution and fees is $12k/yr for instate, add in $1k for books, or $52k over four years. (Yes, living at a sleep-away college costs extra for room and board, but why should kids who don't go to college pay higher taxes so others in their HS class can 'go away' to college?)

Everyone in the community should pay for education because highly educated people benefit the entire community. However, if a student chooses to 'go away to college' they should be responsible for their own room and board. Exception: highly gifted students who go to MIT or some other similar school. I believe right now "going away to college' is mainly about tuition fees.
 
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