Leak of service manual says it's two with an empty spot.
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HW4 & HW5 Discussion
willow_hiller
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At this point I'm tempted to think that what we're seeing right now is kinda the reverse of what happened with HW2.5 to HW3. These vehicles have the HW4 computer, but may not have the final camera configuration.
I think it's final. The higher resolution cameras replace the need for 3 levels of zoom. Plus, it matches the PCB labeling.
willow_hiller
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What do you think the SVC labeled camera ports are for, in that case? I think Green said the full list was:
1. F-SVC
2. L-SVC
3. R-SVC
4. L-FF-Rear
5. R-FF-Rear
6. Selfie
7. Wide
8. Main
9. Backup
10. L-FF-Side
11. R-FF-Side
12. Spare
So we can discount "Spare" and we've presumably got matches for 4 through 11, leaving the "SVC" cameras labeled but not present.
I did see that someone on Twitter mentioned that "SVC" could also stand for "Surround View Camera." Maybe a planned feature for a different vehicle that will also use the HW4 board?
Well, my limit was:
Wide = wide front
Main = main front
F-SVC : Cybertruck bumper
Other two SVC, maybe semi?
willow_hiller
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I'm so confused about HW4 at this point. If this article is true, Tesla may indeed be adding more cameras to HW4. But why add HW4 to the Plaids without the cameras? Exclusive: Tesla's Model 3, Project Highland Exposed: What’s Changing
I think the biggest reason that Tesla hasn't said anything about HW4 is that it is deploying in stages and they just don't want folks "waiting for it". We've heard form others that the "new cameras" will be added "later" this year, but it is all still speculative. One could argue the Cybertruck needs a camera in the nose as it is so much larger and the other models won't get it - we just don't know for sure. MINIMALLY, it seems all the existing cars will likely get what the S and X have now: HW4 computer. upgraded (but not additional) cameras and radar (note: we are all assuming the latter as no one has ripped off a front bumper of a new S/X to "confirm"). The Cybertruck will, of course, get the front bumper camera, but it is interesting that the pre-production Cybertruck that was supposedly "it" didn't show dual cameras on the fender - just the one. I think I would be "happy enough" with the HW4 computer, upgraded cameras and radar. The "additional" cameras would be "nice", but maybe not critical (famous last words!).
willow_hiller
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Missed this tweet thread yesterday, some useful info:
So the current HW4 has two systems on chip (SOC) has two possible camera layouts. The one currently shipping with S/X, and an expanded one with surround-view cameras. Also evidently a 3-SOC version in the works, that might have an integrated GPU.
So the current HW4 has two systems on chip (SOC) has two possible camera layouts. The one currently shipping with S/X, and an expanded one with surround-view cameras. Also evidently a 3-SOC version in the works, that might have an integrated GPU.
Relative to other high end OEM that would be one if the things still missing compared to them.
BrownOuttaSpec
Active Member
I feel like the red coating on the lenses is being a bit overblown:
Why do Binoculars have Red (Ruby-Coated) Lenses? - BinocularsDesk
I'm not sure if this has been discussed or is even true.... I heard that HW 4 will have convoy mode with auto-pilot/FSD that cars will draft behind Tesla Semi for increased efficiency and they will talk to each other so that you car can still "see" in front of it. Tesla semi with also draft each other and swap places based on route/charging status.
Seems cool but not sure if that is 6 months or 6 years down the road. I'm curious if HW 4 has any extra communication hardware
Why do Binoculars have Red (Ruby-Coated) Lenses? - BinocularsDesk
Makes sense to me... 1 camera config for SEXY cars and 1 for Semi/CyberTruck (Bigger vehicle = more cameras needed)
I'm not sure if this has been discussed or is even true.... I heard that HW 4 will have convoy mode with auto-pilot/FSD that cars will draft behind Tesla Semi for increased efficiency and they will talk to each other so that you car can still "see" in front of it. Tesla semi with also draft each other and swap places based on route/charging status.
Seems cool but not sure if that is 6 months or 6 years down the road. I'm curious if HW 4 has any extra communication hardware
willow_hiller
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FYI: we have TMC members with HW4 reporting receiving FSD Beta v11.4.1
teslamotorsclub.com
Interested to see if there are any differences in performance.
FSD Beta v11.x
The next big milestone for FSD is 11. It is a significant upgrade and fundamental changes to several parts of the FSD stack including totally new way to train the perception NN. From AI day and Lex Fridman interview we have a good sense of what might be included. - Object permanence both...
teslamotorsclub.com
Interested to see if there are any differences in performance.
Photos or it didn't happenFYI: we have TMC members with HW4 reporting receiving FSD Beta v11.4.1
FSD Beta v11.x
The next big milestone for FSD is 11. It is a significant upgrade and fundamental changes to several parts of the FSD stack including totally new way to train the perception NN. From AI day and Lex Fridman interview we have a good sense of what might be included. - Object permanence both...
Interested to see if there are any differences in performance.
willow_hiller
Well-Known Member
TeslaFi is reporting it as well: TeslaFi.com Firmware Tracker
One 2023 model year HW4 Model S:
And here's the post with the shot of the firmware page. All Ultra Red Plaid Model S should be HW4:
Wiki - FSD Beta v11.x
The next big milestone for FSD is 11. It is a significant upgrade and fundamental changes to several parts of the FSD stack including totally new way to train the perception NN. From AI day and Lex Fridman interview we have a good sense of what might be included. - Object permanence both...
teslamotorsclub.com
willow_hiller
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Knightshade
Well-Known Member
I'd say more weird if true... I mean either FSD needs radar or it doesn't.... if it doesn't, why add it back to S/X? If it does, why leave it out of the HW4 Y?
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