Has Tesla changed wording about full self driving capability?

[JeffK]

The Google car hasn't achieved L5 status. That's what Google is aiming for, but they haven't reached it yet. Once it gets to Level 5 then it won't need a human to operate. Right now it does require human supervision.

I have absolutely zero explanation for why Tesla is advertising, and selling the package so soon as a FULL self driving car.

In doing so they made life difficult for their sales people because they have to have the same awkward conversation with customers over and over. That nothing is promised, and everything is up to regulatory.

They made it difficult for us customers who have to explain to our parents, friends, and neighbors that no it will not be a self-driving car anytime soon.

I don't know why they didn't aim a little lower because then if they exceed everyone is happy.

In Late 2017 this place should just be renamed to TeslaWhineClub.com because it's just going to be whining and moaning.

For starters it's the law that there must be a driver in those cars:

§ 227.18. Requirements for Autonomous Vehicle Test Drivers.
A manufacturer shall not conduct testing of an autonomous vehicle on public roads unless the vehicle is operated or driven by an autonomous vehicle test driver who meets each of the following requirements: (a) The autonomous vehicle test driver is either in immediate physical control of the vehicle or is actively monitoring the vehicle’s operations and capable of taking over immediate physical control....

 

[Tam]

...I don't know why they didn't aim a little lower because then if they exceed everyone is happy...

As mentioned by @Matias, the publicity may be too enthusiastic when comparing with all the wordings from Tesla website.

Elon seems to aim high such as when he promised to take us to Mars for a fare of $200,000 at first then gradually even lower to at $100,000 too. And that's when no one else can offer such a thing!

So, it's the same with Driverless Technology.

Other companies are testing theirs in very strict limitations such as:

No generic drivers:

They all have a human safety engineer on board hired by each company (not us Tesla owners!)

Geo-fencing: Their cars can't drive pass an assigned location.

Singapore Taxi testing is in the assigned 2.5-square-mile.

Uber Taxi testing is with a larger chunk of 12-square-mile in Pittsburgh.

Google cars can't go beyond areas that have been mapped out (with high definition for this purpose.)

Low Speed:

Singapore system is limited to "Current max. autonomous speed on roads: 25 km/h" or 16 miles per hour!

Google prototype certainly surpasses that speed with the top speed of 35 MPH.

Uber FAQ says its speed is "25-30 mph."


Put it in any way, when no body names a price for a ticket to Mars but Elon did, that's fine that it can happen in future but you need to take it with a grain of salt.

When nobody is able to allow their Driverless technology in the hands of consumers and Elon does, I think it's reasonable to not to set expectation too high at least in a short term.

 

[robby]

Yes, and Tesla does not state that what it describes as "Full Self Driving Capability" is SAE Level 5.

So Tesla's "promise" is not Level 5. And Tesla is smart not to promise that.

"The big news is that all vehicles exiting the factory have the hardware necessary for level five autonomy."
--Elon's opening sentence on the AP2 conference call

 

[JeffK]

"The big news is that all vehicles exiting the factory have the hardware necessary for level five autonomy."
--Elon's opening sentence on the AP2 conference call

Hardware yes... full featured and enabled software no.