Cheburashka
Active Member
The dash also says something to the tune of "press accelerator or AP stalk to continue" does it not?
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Sadly people will just use FSD, crash the car, and try to blame anyone but themselvesIt'll be interesting how Tesla tries to get owners to understand the capabilities and limitations of these incoming advanced features. As others have mentioned, there's the release notes and manual, but those can be long and easily skipped. There's currently an extra confirmation step for stop control beta, but potentially someone else confirms that message before you can read it:
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Yes, that's happened to me to. It will get better soon.I have an intersection near me that it beeps for the wrong green.
it’s a strange diagonal instead of 90 degrees and it spots the lights for the other street.
I have an intersection near me that it beeps for the wrong green.
it’s a strange diagonal instead of 90 degrees and it spots the lights for the other street.
If the Tesla is on FSD and it crashes. Injures someone or worse other than the driver. Will Tesla be able to avoid liability by saying FSD is beta
The current FSD beta that is being tested has very little in common with what we're using. So when we all get that version then things will be very different. So different that there's no way to use the current system to judge whether there is "still a long way to go" or not.There is a stop sign on a street beside the highway on one of my regular routes and as I'm driving on the highway the car thinks there is a stop sign and slams the brakes. Still a long way to go.
For example, I bet the new system behaves completely differently at that stop sign.
From the videos I see it seems obvious that perception is completely different. But it's not worth discussing because we'll have actual evidence shortly.Hard to tell. Perception seems to be similar.
FSD in beta is running into curbs so there's way more work to go.
Even after beta they will not be liable. FSD will be a driver assist (it's not SAE L5), which means the driver is responsible for monitoring the car and intervening as necessary. Legally, FSD will be in the same class as good old cruise control.
There might be cases where there is some level of gross negligence of course, but that applies mostly to a car not behaving as designed (e.g. brake failures due to poor brake system design). To be sure, with a system like FSD there will be gray areas, and I'm sure plenty of lawsuits from "eager" lawyers, but ultimately its the driver who is driving the car.
Yes, I would imagine any split second FSD action that causes an accident may be an FSD liability. We've seen some sudden lurches into other lanes, accelerating into the path of vehicles approaching from the left, things like that. Even with hands on the wheel or foot hovering over the pedals may not always react in time for that.
On that subject do you think NDA prevents anyone from posting an accident during beta. Apart from curb hits.
Seems like you are not understanding how this feature is supposed to function.I just tried the traffic light and stop sign detection with Autopilot this past weekend and I have found it to be unreliable. Whenever the car is passing the signal light, it tried to stop even though the signal light is green. The car continued this behavior for three signal lights and I had to turn it off to avoid someone rear-ending me when the car tried to stop in the middle of the road even when the signal light is Green. Anyone else tried this feature yet?
Rich
Less "appease" and more "tease". I think the current FSD beta videos are more effective in that regard.It is a non usable feature to appease those who paid for FSD