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Have Tesla and Apple disrupted the auto industry past the point of no return?

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The author seems to have no idea just how similar a Tesla (let alone the mythical Apple car) is to a ICE. Sure the power train is different, but that is really just a small part of the car. The vast majority of the systems are exactly the same.

But a lot of those other systems are outsourced from the supply chain these days. Many car makers don't do much more than manufacture the power train and then assemble everything. And if their power train becomes obsolete, and companies like Tesla and Apple can buy from the same ecosystem of suppliers. . .
 

"The electric vehicle market is quietly exploding. It's a small market, so apart from a few marquee successes—Mr. Musk and his Tesla come to mind—the growth doesn't seem so impressive. But according to a new report from Navigant Research, by 2020, a full seven percent of light-duty cars sold worldwide will boast a battery under the hood. "

I predicting closer to 100%.

Unless China requires EV purchase, 7% by 2020 doesn't seem possible.
 

The article was written in 2013 and its predictions for 2014 and 2015 are already a big miss. It predicted about 700,000 BEV and PHEV for 2014 and a little over a million for 2015. The actual numbers from insideevs.com are 320,713 for 2014 and so far this year 284,174.

http://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/

It looks like 2015 will beat 2014 by a small margin, but nowhere near the growth they predict. Consumer demand in some places where governments have strong incentives is relatively strong such as California and Norway, but in the rest of the world EV adoption is fairly low. Among hybrids, the Prius sells well, but other hybrids don't. The hybrid predictions from the article are somewhat on track. It's possible there will be 7 million hybrids sold in 2020, but PHEV and BEV are way behind the prediction.

There are two reasons for this, one is technical and the other is human failing. First, the world can't produce enough batteries to come even close to building the predicted 4 million PHEVs and BEVs by 2020 unless they have really puny all electric range. The last valid argument against BEVs is the range. Realistically most people don't need a BEV with a range better than about 100 miles on a regular basis, but stacking the range of an ICE vs the range of even a Tesla Model S against one another the Tesla comes up short. On the road, the majority of ICE cars can get better than 400 miles on a tank of gas. Unless you drive 25 mph, the best real world range for a Model S is maybe 300 miles, usually less than that. And it takes longer to "fill up the tank".

I know people here don't see that as a major stumbling block for a long trip, and I pretty much agree, but try seeing it from the perspective of Joe Public. It is something people can point to as a real limitation. Hybrids give peace of mind, there is always a backup.

Right now Tesla uses 10% of the world's Li-Ion batteries to build just 50,000 cars a year. The Gigafactory will enable them to build around 600,000 cars a year by 2020, but that comes fro doubling the 2013 Li-Ion capacity. It's going to take another Gigafactory for each 500,000 - 600,000 BEVs with 200+ mile range. The article doesn't specify what the range will be for BEVs by 2020 and certainly not all will be 200+ mile cars. Most will probably be around 100 mile range. But it predicts 1.5 million BEV a year by 2020. That's a lot of batteries. The system doesn't have that kind of capacity and that kind of capacity is not being built now. Look at the Gigafactory progress. It's going together in record time, but they still predict 2019-2020 before it's producing enough batteries for 600,000 cars a year. Nobody else has even started a second Gigafactory. There is expansion going on at other battery factories, but most are reaching max production capacity now.

So the technical limitation is battery production. The pipeline isn't big enough to build all that many cars requiring large battery packs. A lot of hybrids with small batteries can be built and Toyota is currently building most of them.

The human failing is the established car companies don't want to build BEVs. They build a few and make noises about building more, but they are really only aiming to sell compliance cars aimed to meet government clean vehicle requirements. They don't want BEVs in their line up competing with their ICE cars, so they make the BEVs and PHEVs are uncompelling as possible. Even the PHEV Prius only sells in small numbers. Most hybrids and other alternative vehicles are sold with the understanding that you have to give something up to have an alternative vehicle, whether that's cargo space, acceleration, range, or your dignity (a lot of alternative vehicles look like children's toys to me). Tesla is the only company offering an alternative vehicle that looks good and actually beats ICE cars in all the other categories except range on a single charge, and they have mitigated that with the supercharger network. The problem with Tesla's offering right now is the price tag. If the Model 3 lives up to its promises, it will be the game changer people are looking for, the first BEV that is price competitive with middle of the ICE market which is superior to ICE cars in every other way.

Right now mainstream car companies are shaming anyone who wants an alternative vehicle except possible Prius buyers. That's about the only mainstream vehicle that doesn't make you feel like you're giving up too much to have an alternative, though they don't accelerate all that well (most are 10+ seconds 0-60). But that's a hybrid and the battery pack is very short ranged.
 
Consumer demand in some places where governments have strong incentives is relatively strong such as California and Norway, but in the rest of the world EV adoption is fairly low. Among hybrids, the Prius sells well, but other hybrids don't. The hybrid predictions from the article are somewhat on track. It's possible there will be 7 million hybrids sold in 2020, but PHEV and BEV are way behind the prediction.

There are two reasons for this, one is technical and the other is human failing. First, the world can't produce enough batteries to come even close to building the predicted 4 million PHEVs and BEVs by 2020 unless they have really puny all electric range. The last valid argument against BEVs is the range. Realistically most people don't need a BEV with a range better than about 100 miles on a regular basis, but stacking the range of an ICE vs the range of even a Tesla Model S against one another the Tesla comes up short. On the road, the majority of ICE cars can get better than 400 miles on a tank of gas. Unless you drive 25 mph, the best real world range for a Model S is maybe 300 miles, usually less than that. And it takes longer to "fill up the tank".

I know people here don't see that as a major stumbling block for a long trip, and I pretty much agree, but try seeing it from the perspective of Joe Public. It is something people can point to as a real limitation. Hybrids give peace of mind, there is always a backup.

Right now Tesla uses 10% of the world's Li-Ion batteries to build just 50,000 cars a year. The Gigafactory will enable them to build around 600,000 cars a year by 2020, but that comes fro doubling the 2013 Li-Ion capacity. It's going to take another Gigafactory for each 500,000 - 600,000 BEVs with 200+ mile range. The article doesn't specify what the range will be for BEVs by 2020 and certainly not all will be 200+ mile cars. Most will probably be around 100 mile range. But it predicts 1.5 million BEV a year by 2020. That's a lot of batteries. The system doesn't have that kind of capacity and that kind of capacity is not being built now. Look at the Gigafactory progress. It's going together in record time, but they still predict 2019-2020 before it's producing enough batteries for 600,000 cars a year. Nobody else has even started a second Gigafactory. There is expansion going on at other battery factories, but most are reaching max production capacity now.

So the technical limitation is battery production. The pipeline isn't big enough to build all that many cars requiring large battery packs. A lot of hybrids with small batteries can be built and Toyota is currently building most of them.

So, how do we overcome these constraints?:

Tesla Lining Up Broadside Attack On Auto Industry Lobbying
 
"The tech giant could leverage its $203 billion war chest to scale up in even the capital-intensive auto industry."

Electric Car Industry: Is Apple the Latest Member? | Wall Street Daily

The article does sort of seem written by an Apple fanboy. He seems to think Apple is going to be first to market with the ultimate battery for EVs and Tesla won't have the Model 3 on the market by the time Apple launches their car. Tesla will likely beat them to market in both areas. JB Straubel and Elon Musk have said the Gigafactory will allow them to not only make batteries cheaply, but optimized for the EV application and the Model 3 is scheduled to be on the market by late 2017, but even if it's delayed, it should be out by the end of the decade when Apple says it will have its first car out. It makes the mistake a lot of writers do of dismissing Tesla as a maker of cars for the wealthy, even though Elon Musk has been clear about his three step plan from the beginning.

Apple may succeed and become the dominant player in the BEV business. They have the money to make a lot of mistakes before getting it right, which gives them a very good shot, but they also have some things working against them too. This is the first major project they have taken on since Steve Jobs left. Jobs left extensive notes on his vision with Cook before he died, but this is the first project Apple has taken on in 20 years that doesn't have Jobs tweaking the vision as it unfolds. I think that was the secret sauce that made the iPod, iPad, and iPhone such huge hits and transformers of their market niches.

Another thing against them is a car is very different from anything they have done before. Apple is a computer designer and software developer. Everything they have ever done is essentially a computer. I've done a lot of embedded firmware development in my career and when your in there developing the code, whether the package is a music player, phone, or handheld computer makes little difference. That's why the iPod Touch, iPad, and iPhone use the same OS. The other iPods probably run a stripped down version of iOS too.

With Apple products, there are only a few physical world object the programmers need to control, and controlling moving parts is even more minimal. Most of the parts with motors already have their own control firmware they just need to interface with.

With a car, there is a lot of work programming servos to take input from the environment (both driving conditions and human input) and output control to various parts of the vehicle. Obviously it can be done, but it's a very different programming problem than an iPhone and people can get hurt if you do it wrong. Even something as innocuous as a motorized door can injure or kill someone if not programmed correctly.

Apple has the cash to hire servo programmers by the bushel, but that experience doesn't exist within Apple's corporate culture. That's a critical difference with Tesla. Tesla has grown up with that sort of expertise as part of their DNA. They started learning those lessons with the Roadster and learned even more with the Model S and Model X. The entire management chain is familiar with all the considerations even if they don't know how to do it themselves. Apple's management chain only has car development experience gained from bought talent rather than ingrown, and the Apple people put on the project aren't yet aware just how different this project is from previous Apple projects. Managers tend to want to do things like it's always been done and will often try to force people into doing it the same old way. That's likely going to cause delays as the Apple managers moved over from other projects figure out they can't just do everything like they did in their old job on the iPhone or whatever.

When Apple gets to market, their car will have the advantage of fitting into the existing Apple eco-system, but I doubt it will have much to offer over other cars from Tesla and possibly some other companies. Apple has succeeded by jumping into markets that were being under served with an innovative new product that shook up that market niche. They have never jumped into a market with an established player like Tesla. Tesla is as innovative as Apple and they have a 10 years head start. If Jobs was alive, he might have decided to give the iCar a pass and concentrate on something else, or work on technologies for the next generation of cars short of bending metal and getting their hands dirty.

Time will tell, but Apple might be at its peak now. 20 years ago it was inconceivable that Microsoft would not be making headlines as one of the innovation leaders in the software biz 20 years later. But while they try to make waves and still have a very big market share of the desktop and laptop business, they don't really make headlines much anymore. Windows 10 came out a few months back and it made a little splash, but mostly the public yawned and went back to their Android or Apple phone. Microsoft has tried to break into the phone business with a Windows based phone, but while it's out there, it's sales numbers make it an also ran.

It's possible that the Apple car will be like the Windows phone, too little too late. Apple has a more die hard fan base than Microsoft does these days, so there will be some people lining up to get the first Apple car, even if it's not that great, it may not sell outside it's fan base eco-system. We'll see what the next 5-10 years brings.
 
Apple has the $. Tesla the car.

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Brilliant article. Except perhaps for the Apple part that still seems unclear.
IMHO, all car people already know that EVs are superior for the very reasons that the author lists. The power players inside are just clinging to the old to get by until retirement instead of losing everything right now. Toyota knows it. But have to push the Fool Cell story to save face and show that they took the initiative back from Tesla. Since fool cell cars are EVs with smaller batteries, Toyota's batteries will slowly slowly grow until the fool parts are eventually gone... it will take a decade or two perhaps, like the boiling frog, nobody notices and the faces are saved.
 
Never, never, never underestimate the power of an incumbent to forestall the inevitable. Incumbent in this case means oil companies, car makers and uncountable suppliers and, of course, car dealers. Incumbents have the power of market presence, positive cashflow, huge political lobbying cash piles and the ability to influence media messaging. In case you have missed it, automotive companies are the largest advertisers, so they have extraordinary influence with the media. So, it is too early to declare that disruption has occurred and has sustainable power.
 
Never, never, never underestimate the power of an incumbent to forestall the inevitable. Incumbent in this case means oil companies, car makers and uncountable suppliers and, of course, car dealers. Incumbents have the power of market presence, positive cashflow, huge political lobbying cash piles and the ability to influence media messaging. In case you have missed it, automotive companies are the largest advertisers, so they have extraordinary influence with the media. So, it is too early to declare that disruption has occurred and has sustainable power.
Agreed. All the more reason to welcome Apple and other new entrants to do battle and accelerate the EV revolution. Old money won't do it, so new money has to. Thank goodness for new money!
 
Never, never, never underestimate the power of an incumbent to forestall the inevitable. Incumbent in this case means oil companies, car makers and uncountable suppliers and, of course, car dealers. Incumbents have the power of market presence, positive cashflow, huge political lobbying cash piles and the ability to influence media messaging. In case you have missed it, automotive companies are the largest advertisers, so they have extraordinary influence with the media. So, it is too early to declare that disruption has occurred and has sustainable power.
At least one incumbent has their head "out of the sand". Kudos Carlos! Now it's up to our politicians to set relevant policy.

Renault-Nissan Alliance CEO Hopeful About COP21 - FLEET MANAGEMENT - fleetdigest
 
Never, never, never underestimate the power of an incumbent to forestall the inevitable. Incumbent in this case means oil companies, car makers and uncountable suppliers and, of course, car dealers. Incumbents have the power of market presence, positive cashflow, huge political lobbying cash piles and the ability to influence media messaging. In case you have missed it, automotive companies are the largest advertisers, so they have extraordinary influence with the media. So, it is too early to declare that disruption has occurred and has sustainable power.
I think everybody agrees on the power to forestall. But EVs are inevitable. Remember how the tobacco industry obstructed science and forestalled the prohibition of tobacco? It took 40 years.
Even though the fossil industry is obviously more powerful than the tobacco industry ever was, the internet makes things more transparent, so the smoke(!) and mirrors might not last as long.

If I may throw out a prediction: once the current generation of Auto senior execs are mostly retired (15 years?), we are done with ICE.
 
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The article in Quartz quoted by the OP makes some good points about all the parts of the car that have to be reimagined and reengineered for the next generation fleet (largely EV); but I did notice that there are still a lot of opportunities for suppliers. Specifically, there are a lot of parts used today that still apply to new-generation EVs, including suspension, power window systems, glass, lights, interior (headliner, carpet, seats), wheels & tires, wiring, small motors (i.e., windshield wiper, etc.), hydraulics (i.e., power lift gate), electronics (computers & audio), steering (incl. front suspension & ball joints), bearings, instrument panel, etc. Also a lot of manufacturing systems can be readily adapted to build EVs, such as the stamping presses, body assembly & spot-welding robots, conveyors, paint systems, glass installation, cockpit installation, seat installation, bolt torque management, production control & logistics, shipping, etc etc. So I wouldn't count the traditional automakers out - not by a long shot. They have a lot of expertise that can be applied to new generation EVs; what they need to do is to adjust their attitude. They can build the new cars - they just have to become convinced that they can make money doing so.
 
The article in Quartz quoted by the OP makes some good points about all the parts of the car that have to be reimagined and reengineered for the next generation fleet (largely EV); but I did notice that there are still a lot of opportunities for suppliers. Specifically, there are a lot of parts used today that still apply to new-generation EVs, including suspension, power window systems, glass, lights, interior (headliner, carpet, seats), wheels & tires, wiring, small motors (i.e., windshield wiper, etc.), hydraulics (i.e., power lift gate), electronics (computers & audio), steering (incl. front suspension & ball joints), bearings, instrument panel, etc. Also a lot of manufacturing systems can be readily adapted to build EVs, such as the stamping presses, body assembly & spot-welding robots, conveyors, paint systems, glass installation, cockpit installation, seat installation, bolt torque management, production control & logistics, shipping, etc etc. So I wouldn't count the traditional automakers out - not by a long shot. They have a lot of expertise that can be applied to new generation EVs; what they need to do is to adjust their attitude. They can build the new cars - they just have to become convinced that they can make money doing so.

American car makers always had the ability to build cars like the Japanese, but they didn't start to change until it was too late. All of the big three brought their quality up to on par with the Japanese by the early 2000s, but they had bled too much red ink at that point and when oil prices went up and the economy tanked, they didn't have any reserves left. Ford held on by its fingernails and GM and Chrysler went bankrupt.

The recent editorial by Bob Lutz in R&T demonstrates how stuck in the past car company management is. And in this case it isn't just an American car company thing. Every car company is playing with EVs and PHEVs because governments require them to do so, but Nissan is the closest to being on board with the idea of wholesale change and their EVs fleet is still a tiny percentage of their overall production. Partially this is due to limits in battery production, but management at all levels are reluctant to leave behind the tried and true for unknown, uncharted waters of major new technologies.

JB Straubel has also made the point that just about every car company out there is afraid of electronics and especially electronic control of major systems. Historically they don't do electronics very well either. This is a major limit for traditional car companies moving forward. Silicon Valley companies are not afraid to write software to run even the most critical systems, but car companies still like hardware backstops.

Most car companies are beginning to copy the skateboard design Tesla pioneered for EVs, but nobody is doing firmware updates like Tesla, despite that technology being there for close to 4 years now. The car companies are too scared to try it.