Tesla has implemented unique way of selling FSD: you can purchase it today, but there is no indication when you might get it. Which stage of getting what you paid for are you?
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Have you received FSD you paid for?
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EAP Price Paid? $5K
EAP feature complete? Yes
EAP features work as originally advertised? Haha, not anywhere close
FSD Price Paid? $3K
FSD Advertised future capability as I understood it? L4 Autonomous driving in typical conditions humans would be capable of
FSD capability as I thought was possible? None as I was cynical from the very beginning and considered one of the three things that happened in late 2016 that signaled our reality had flipped to the upside down.
FSD reason for purchase? For my 2018 Model 3 to have the latest HW for make believe self driving
Did FSD deliver on reason for purchase? Yes, so far
Biggest disappointment with FSD? Complete and total lack of customer engagement.
Favorite EAP/FSD feature? Auto lane change
Least favorite part of EAP/FSD? Torque Sensor. So incredibly dumb.
Next Vehicle? Rivian with hands free L2 on the freeway
EAP feature complete? Yes
EAP features work as originally advertised? Haha, not anywhere close
FSD Price Paid? $3K
FSD Advertised future capability as I understood it? L4 Autonomous driving in typical conditions humans would be capable of
FSD capability as I thought was possible? None as I was cynical from the very beginning and considered one of the three things that happened in late 2016 that signaled our reality had flipped to the upside down.
FSD reason for purchase? For my 2018 Model 3 to have the latest HW for make believe self driving
Did FSD deliver on reason for purchase? Yes, so far
Biggest disappointment with FSD? Complete and total lack of customer engagement.
Favorite EAP/FSD feature? Auto lane change
Least favorite part of EAP/FSD? Torque Sensor. So incredibly dumb.
Next Vehicle? Rivian with hands free L2 on the freeway
Obtuse conflation poll. FSD Capability package is what you buy. FSD Beta is privilege granted by Tesla to test full self driving process and is NOT something you pay for.
This really depends on when you purchased. Over the years, Tesla has changed what they describe FSD to be - a lot.
Lets not open up a debate what each one of us thinks FSD is. Instead let the purchasers answer to poll, essentially measuring if they think they received what they paid for.
TresLA
Member
It never was up for debate. It just wasn’t clearly understood. FSD Capability is what has always been sold, not FSD. For anyone expecting FSD with the subscription or the one time purchase, it wasn’t Tesla that misinformed them. FSD beta was never communicated as what we paid for, no matter when one purchased/subscribed.
Sorry to say, but you are misinformed: please review materials Tesla used in 2017Q3 to sell FSD.
This should not be possible, should it?
"My car does not have hardware needed for FSD beta"
"My car does not have hardware needed for FSD beta"
That refers to cars manufactured today. Older models had previous hardware versions (such as HW1 and HW2) which cannot handle FSD today. However, purchasing FSD in full should grant you access to upgraded hardware when it's released. You'll see posts here about people getting camera upgrades and CPU upgrades for FSD.
Daniel in SD
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That's completely backwards, that's an old screen shot. Cars sold between late 2016 and April 2019 had all the hardware needed for full self-driving.
FSD today is different. Here's the new wording, safety greater than a human driver is no longer promised nor is autonomous operation.
Tesomega
Member
I still hope this is possible, still waiting for my camera upgrades.. god only knows if FSD Beta will be approved on MCU1 cars..
Tesomega
Member
Just because they have a website and can update does not make it so, what the previous snapshot shows is what was sold at that time!.
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
Of course not. Tesla should upgrade all FSD cars before they release FSD. Really they should have upgraded them all before they started the FSD Beta safety score game.
TresLA
Member
I did a quick search of 2017 Q3 earnings press release, shareholder deck, and SEC filing. I don’t see FSD being sold, just FSD Capability. Or if we’re talking about hardware, we purchased and got the HW3 upgrade for free (included) as promised 2 years later (in 2020).
Again, Tesla hasn’t released FSD. FSD Capability was a package (and now subscription) with stated features, and future included features. FSD beta is NOT what we purchased. It’s a limited release preview/evaluation to help testing.
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
I wasn't making a legal claim. I was just saying it's messed up that the people who bought FSD first don't get to participate in the beta (unless they pay for MCU2 out of pocket and were lucky enough to be chosen for the camera upgrade before they stopped adding new beta testers).
Please go on: I am sure you'll find Tesla marketing materials from the period, they are easily available - even can be found on this forum.
TresLA
Member
So I checked archive.org for 2017 Q3 captures of Tesla's site and again I still see the wording, "have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver". I know the wording has been tweaked here and there, but that still seems in line with what many of us keep saying (they're using carefully crafted marketing speak, but the misconceptions are driven by others).
OxBrew
Active Member
"You don't always get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
-attribution: internet (aka unknown)
seems to apply exactly in this case.
-attribution: internet (aka unknown)
seems to apply exactly in this case.
He never answers this question on Twitter when asked
TresLA
Member
I keep reading and quoting more of it, but it would be faster if you just pointed us to what you’re referring to. I really do want to see the quote/language you’re referring to. I’m not doubting it exists, but I like to check sources to make sure I get my facts straight.
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