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Have a good time and enjoy all our Great discussions (so great they deserve a capital G).
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Hi ebbrey,
Since you are from the north get ready for Large Drop in Charge When Parked in the Cold,
- No "snow driving mode" raising the car at speed higher than 5mph and lower traction control action at very low speed
- Major fogging in the rear window
- Side windows fogging and frosting => no side window vent/wrong design
- Frozen charger door that can't open/gets stuck
- Frozen/Door window with ice that don't close properly / without potentially breaking the door/window
- 110V outlet can't keep the charge and pack warm
- SoC dropping badly in cold climate (30 miles a day vs 2 in normal temp)
- Wipers that can't retract
- MPGe double than EPA estimates: 400-450 wh/km (640-700 wh/mi) vs 200 (308)
Since you are from the north get ready for Large Drop in Charge When Parked in the Cold,
- No "snow driving mode" raising the car at speed higher than 5mph and lower traction control action at very low speed
- Major fogging in the rear window
- Side windows fogging and frosting => no side window vent/wrong design
- Frozen charger door that can't open/gets stuck
- Frozen/Door window with ice that don't close properly / without potentially breaking the door/window
- 110V outlet can't keep the charge and pack warm
- SoC dropping badly in cold climate (30 miles a day vs 2 in normal temp)
- Wipers that can't retract
- MPGe double than EPA estimates: 400-450 wh/km (640-700 wh/mi) vs 200 (308)
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Yeah i am on that forum too
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Yeah ive read the whole thread, awaiting info from TM and hope they fix that stuff.
Reservation is fully refundable so didnt see the harm in jumping in
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Yeah im going for the 85kwh
Hell, more if it was avaiable
bonnie
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Annnnd ... the moderators just put you on the 'realistic, not overreactive' list. Welcome!
Another Norwegian here.
I believe there will be more of us - the Model S costs less than half of what a comparable ICE car would cost in Norway.
I've read all the cold weather warnings, and hope that the worst bugs can be ironed out and the rest will be irrelevant: We're not normally very bothered by winter cold here on the west coast of Norway. More like "winter wet dark and miserable". Fogging may be a problem, frozen doors and plug not likely.
Ole i Bergen
I believe there will be more of us - the Model S costs less than half of what a comparable ICE car would cost in Norway.
I've read all the cold weather warnings, and hope that the worst bugs can be ironed out and the rest will be irrelevant: We're not normally very bothered by winter cold here on the west coast of Norway. More like "winter wet dark and miserable". Fogging may be a problem, frozen doors and plug not likely.
Ole i Bergen
Just thought I'd put my two cents in on medved's post:
I haven't seen evidence for this with the current firmware.
Traction control does need some tweaks. That said better snow tires will probably solve this problem - the standard Pirellis drive like all seasons. Option to drive while the car is raised a little would be nice.
Huh? Non-issue - no better or worse than any other car I've ever driven. It has a very effective defogger, and unlike many cars I've owned, once defogged it tends to stay defogged.
Yes this is an issue. The windshield is annoying but not dangerous. The side window is an issue but easily fixed for now with a hand scraper. Only happens in severely humid and cold conditions (i.e. snowstorm).
Minor and easily pried open with a fingernail. Tip: If you bang on the back of the door with your closed fist it will pop open.
Haven't had this happen.
That's what I use my 110V outlet for. The car doesn't keep the pack warm when not charging though, but this can be fixed in firmware (like it was for the Roadster some time ago). For now I work around this by deliberately parking with the pack not full and plugging into 110V for the night.
Repeat of earlier point - haven't seen this.
Haven't had a problem so far.
This is wrong. IF the pack is completely cold soaked it does take this much power at first. This is due to the battery heater in operation. Once the pack warms up the Wh/km drop to the 250 range when driving at 90 kph with moderate cabin heat. Easily resolved by charging before you leave. See 110V trick above.
I haven't seen evidence for this with the current firmware.
Traction control does need some tweaks. That said better snow tires will probably solve this problem - the standard Pirellis drive like all seasons. Option to drive while the car is raised a little would be nice.
Huh? Non-issue - no better or worse than any other car I've ever driven. It has a very effective defogger, and unlike many cars I've owned, once defogged it tends to stay defogged.
Yes this is an issue. The windshield is annoying but not dangerous. The side window is an issue but easily fixed for now with a hand scraper. Only happens in severely humid and cold conditions (i.e. snowstorm).
Minor and easily pried open with a fingernail. Tip: If you bang on the back of the door with your closed fist it will pop open.
Haven't had this happen.
That's what I use my 110V outlet for. The car doesn't keep the pack warm when not charging though, but this can be fixed in firmware (like it was for the Roadster some time ago). For now I work around this by deliberately parking with the pack not full and plugging into 110V for the night.
Repeat of earlier point - haven't seen this.
Haven't had a problem so far.
This is wrong. IF the pack is completely cold soaked it does take this much power at first. This is due to the battery heater in operation. Once the pack warms up the Wh/km drop to the 250 range when driving at 90 kph with moderate cabin heat. Easily resolved by charging before you leave. See 110V trick above.
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Yeah not having to pay half the price in tax is sweet. I dont mind the "winter" stuff that much myself, we tend to have some cold months but i will be alright. I'll have it in a garage heated up and ill get something to plug it in at work and im fine. Some of the driving reports are very "encouraging" off course 4wd would be damn sweet, but a couple of dedicated 19" rims with hakapeliita R's and some careful driving on straight road and my insurance company/policy wont get a big hit either.
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Thx for your input on that list!
I think the "wipers that cant retract" is that you cant flip them 90 degress because of the wiper park position under the bonnet? So if there is ice here and you cant remove it since the wipers are in the way, that it may damage the wiper motor.
Many of these things could be fixed with a simple "winter setting option" from suspension/tc to how windows automaticly open if you are near with a key etc. Im happy many issues can be fixed with software.
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