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Help me decide: Model Y or Mach-E
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Can't complain about blind spot monitoring any more with a Tesla. The turn signal triggers the side camera lane view on the screen with the latest update. A quick glance assures clearance. It worked beautifully on my 200 mile drive this morning. There is also a setting for a chime, but I never had a traffic conflict to see how it works. I haven't had a chance to explore all the other upgrades from the last several days, including the Christmas light show.
sleepydoc
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I just saw a report that Ford is cutting off pre-orders for the F150 lightning because they’re already hit more than they expect to produce in the first 2 years. WOnder how much extra the dealers are going to tack on to those orders?
bschippers718
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Apparently up to $30k. Though, plenty of folks are trying to profit from the high demand for Tesla in the same manner
If they try to spike me with 30 grand would be the last Ford I ever attempted to buy. I would go buy a ram 1500 and pocket 50 grand for whenever the cybertruck is ready.
FOOLSLFDRVNG
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Yeah, saw this posted today. Stuff like this always starts a fire over there. They just can't admit that Ford is screwing them.
After all this time, this is what they get as an update:
Two games and they rearranged some settings that were there already. I think CarPlay is now fullscreen too. No substantial bug fixes. And that interface reminds me of webOS back in the days of the Palm Pre.....sluggish and unpolished.
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Tha_Ape
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I mean its not what Tesla does, but its better than what any other automaker does.
Over-the-air updates: How does each EV automaker compare?
A detailed guide explaining over-the-air software and firmware updates as well as the status of each EV manufacturers current capabilities.
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Actually, Ford is behind others if you're comparing robust firmware update capabilities. Companies like Lucid, Nio, Xpeng, Polestar and soon to be Rivian (to name a few) all have systems that can do OTA firmware updates, and some have already sent out more substantial ones. Even GM might actually be ahead (or soon to be) of Ford in this capability as well.
With a service model like what Ford currently has (where dealerships can call the shots with regard to service), and the fact that the Mach-E's software is bug-ridden, the ownership experience is more likely to be a miserable one over the long haul, especially for those that expect their vehicles to work as intended and are looking forward to timely updates.
Ford vs Tesla in this regard might not seem fair, but it's what the thread title asked for.
sleepydoc
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Yeah - note how all the companies you mention were not ’legacy’ car manufacturers.Over-the-air updates: How does each EV automaker compare?
A detailed guide explaining over-the-air software and firmware updates as well as the status of each EV manufacturers current capabilities.
Actually, Ford is behind others if you're comparing robust firmware update capabilities. Companies like Lucid, Nio, Xpeng, Polestar and soon to be Rivian (to name a few) all have systems that can do OTA firmware updates, and some have already sent out more substantial ones. Even GM might actually be ahead (or soon to be) of Ford in this capability as well.
With a service model like what Ford currently has (where dealerships can call the shots with regard to service), and the fact that the Mach-E's software is bug-ridden, the ownership experience is more likely to be a miserable one over the long haul, especially for those that expect their vehicles to work as intended and are looking forward to timely updates.
Ford vs Tesla in this regard might not seem fair, but it's what the thread title asked for.
A fundamental flaw in with the legacy makers is their ‘stealership’ model. These outlets are set up so they make the majority of their profits on service making a direct disincentive to sell low maintenance cars like an EV or to have over the air updates like Tesla. I’ve even seem some quotes from dealerships saying they were marking up the Mach E price to make up for lost service revenue. WTF??? The other part of the problem is this model is actually codified in state laws, making a huge obstacle for companies like Tesla that want to do it differently.
Speaking of dealers, I saw a bit of history in a blog yesterday. Henry Ford started his dealer model as a result of an offer to buy 750 cars in advance by a customer who planned to resell them. Ford realized that by selling to dealers, every car that came off the assembly line was already sold. Around a hundred years later Elon Musk discovered that every car he built was already sold by the online method, therefore dealers were a waste. Funny how the same basic "presold" motivation led to different results.
Dealers will never go away for legacy automakers with franchise dealerships because of 50 different state laws plus franchise contracts that protect the model. One can only hope that reforms can improve their operation. It's possible that with the large number of takeovers by multi dealer companies that big organizations might negotiate methods of operation more suitable to customers because of competition from direct sellers.
BTW, sooner or later Staes that outright ban direct sales from companies who don't have franchises will face pressure from consumers to allow competition. I heard a dealer association executive say on a blog that the dealer model is far better for the customer. If that is so why do dealer associations fight so hard to block direct sales companies?
Dealers will never go away for legacy automakers with franchise dealerships because of 50 different state laws plus franchise contracts that protect the model. One can only hope that reforms can improve their operation. It's possible that with the large number of takeovers by multi dealer companies that big organizations might negotiate methods of operation more suitable to customers because of competition from direct sellers.
BTW, sooner or later Staes that outright ban direct sales from companies who don't have franchises will face pressure from consumers to allow competition. I heard a dealer association executive say on a blog that the dealer model is far better for the customer. If that is so why do dealer associations fight so hard to block direct sales companies?
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I can't speak for the European dealers like Audi, Mercedes, BMW etc... or other high-end brands that go out of their way to make their customers happy, but the ones I've dealt with over the years, both domestic and import, have all been predatory when it came to sales and sketchy to dishonest when it came to service with very few exceptions.
I'd really like to know if the States that insist on this model actually care about the consumer. They can't claim they're unaware of what takes place on a daily basis. IMO, they're all part of the scam. We can talk about overhauling the laws all day, but until the consumer votes with their wallet, nothing will change.
I'd really like to know if the States that insist on this model actually care about the consumer. They can't claim they're unaware of what takes place on a daily basis. IMO, they're all part of the scam. We can talk about overhauling the laws all day, but until the consumer votes with their wallet, nothing will change.
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Follow the money. Politicians need money for elections and dealerships are more than happy to donate.
Only three reasons for the Mach-E: 1) Style / Appearance (with size trade-off) 2) Price (especially if the rebate is still available) 3) Mach-E model with options you like is available right now and you cannot wait. *Some facts up there are incorrect. [For example: I use my iPhone 13 Pro Max for music, it did take about a week to adjust to the non-braking and looking right for speedometer, etc... MY TAKE: the Ford Mach-E California Route 1 WITH the battery upgrade for only $2500 more was a close comparison., and was very tempting with the federal rebate! I decided to wait the extra few months and get the Model Y Long-Range with Acceleration Upgrade to get 0-60MPH in 4.2 seconds. Adding transparency is that my target EV = Fun and Respectable "Family Vehicle."
If Mach E appeals to you, purchase it. However, if I'm traveling to any ski resort, the ease of AWD is suitable
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