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Help me remember previous P+ pricing (comparison to P85D)

Discussion in 'Model S' started by David_Cary, Dec 21, 2014.

  1. David_Cary

    David_Cary Member

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    I test drove the P85D last week. Now I begin the rationalization - justification thing that many before have gone through.

    The last Tesla I drove was a P85 which I thought felt too fast for its suspension. Felt a little scary. The P85D felt fast but not as scary - less yaw etc.

    So there is a $18k difference between a 85D and a P85D and I see a lot of posters talk about how this is too much. It is pretty shocking of course. But wasn't the previous difference $16,500? $10k for the P and $6500 for the +. I would get the 19s on coils.

    So my rationalization goes something like you get almost 2 secs 0-60 for $18k vs 1 sec for $16.5k. That sounds like a bargain.....

    I'm sure I'm forgetting something included with the old P85+ but what.

    The other rationalization is that I have to have the new seats .....
     
  2. Todd Burch

    Todd Burch Electron Pilot

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    Regarding performance, as 0-60 time drops, it of course gets harder and harder to drop an additional 0.1 sec from the time. Given that the number of competing performance cars dwindles to very few as 0-60 time improves, the prices of the cars increase more quickly. Given the cost of competing cars that can do 0-60 in 3.2 sec...and given that the D is the only sedan capable of this...the P85D seems like a much better relative value than the P85+.
     
  3. tezco

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    I haven't tested to D yet (I'm afraid that if I did, I'd really like to trade up), but I agree with you. We've reached the limits of what is safely do-able with only two wheel drive, and perhaps even stretched it a tiny bit too much, particularly with the first S's that had the softer suspension bushings. At the rate that Tesla is increasing available horsepower, soon we'll be knocking on the limits of AWD!
     
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    Comparisons are complicated by the "mandatory" options they required you to select to get the + package. In addition to the "P," you also had to order the 21" wheels, the Tech Package, and the air suspension. None of that was included in the + price.

    So if you're planning on getting 19" wheels and coil springs (neither of which were available with the +), the delta between P85D and P85+ is smaller than you might think.
     
  5. bonnie

    bonnie Oil is for sissies.

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    It looks like you're getting all the answers you need from fellow forum members, but if you're ever wondering what things used to be before, The Internet Wayback Machine will usually reveal all. :) Just plug in the url you want and you'll see a big calendar, showing you the different dates it changed. Click on a date and go back in time.
     
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  7. David_Cary

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    Thanks - the window sticker helps confirm things.
     
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    #8 JST, Dec 21, 2014
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    Note that that car--built in 6/2013--was before the fall 2013 price increase/package changes.

    Edit: I can't remember all of the various changes that went into effect 8/13, but I do remember that the price of the 21" wheels went up by $1000, and the stereo (not really relevant here) went up by $1550. More relevant, the air suspension (previously standard on 85s? Or just P85s?) became a stand-alone option.
     
  9. NOLA_Mike

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    All true. But that car (mine) also didn't have fog lights, parking sensors, automatic folding mirrors, etc. When it was ordered/built it had every option available at the time except rear facing seats.

    Mike
     
  10. REBroker

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    Something else I read somewhere, which I believe to be accurate, is that the performance premium on the P85D will not fully depreciate, so you'll always get another 10k or so through the next few years above what an S85 would get. For me the difference between the S and P was larger because I would've gotten a RWD S if I had taken that route. Even then, the difference would be 23k, and 10k of that would be recouped in resale, so the difference for the D would be 13k. That's a bargain in my opinion.
     
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    #11 romp, Dec 21, 2014
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    Just for the record, below are all the options that were available in the summer of 2014.

    Full price difference between P85 and P85+ was $17K. However, it included 21" wheels ($4500), tech package ($3750) and air suspension ($2250). All in all, mandatory options on P85+ were $10500. This means pure P85 -> P85+ upgrade was $6500, oranges-to-oranges.

    features
    description price
    Model

    60 208 miles EPA range, 302 HP, 5.9 sec 0-60 71070
    85 256 miles EPA range, 362 hp, 5.4 sec 0-60 81070
    P85 265 miles EPA range, 416 hp, 4.2 sec 0-60 94570
    P85+ 265 miles EPA range, 416 hp, 4.2 sec 0-60 111570
    Colors

    solid black, white included
    metallic silver, blue, green, brown, grey 750
    multi-coat pearl white, red 1500
    Wheels

    19” 5 double-spokes included
    19” cyclone
    2500
    21” turbine white or grey, included on P85+ 4500
    Seats

    textile black included
    leather black, tan, grey 1500
    perf. leather black, tan, grey with piping 2500
    Interior

    piano black
    included
    wood obeche matte, obeche gloss, lacewood 650
    carbon fiber
    800
    Individual options

    glass panoramic roof
    2500
    supercharger access standard on 85, P85 and P85+ 2000
    dual chargers allows charging at rate of up to 60 mi/hr (default 30 mi/hr) 1500
    wall connector allows charging at home at rate up to 60 mi/hr 1200
    tech package included on P85+ 3750
    air suspension requires tech package, included on P85+ 2250
    parking sensors requires tech package 500
    fog lamps requires tech package 500
    Hi-Fi sound system
    2500
    extended leather trim requires leather or perf. leather seats 2500
    alcantara headliner included in P85 and P85+ 1500
    rear facing seats A.K.A. “third row” 2500
    premium interior lighting
    1000
    subzero weather package
    750
    Michelin tire upgrade for 19” wheel options only, included in 85 and P85 1000
    paint armor
    950
     
  12. David_Cary

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    The ability to remove the 21 inch rims and air is the only reason I would even consider the P85D. They really made the P85D a pretty good value.... right value, bargain ....

    But I do think a lightly optioned P85D will hold resale pretty well. But I'm leasing anyway. The difference comes to $300 a month. Somehow a few weeks ago it was $200 a month but maybe that didn't include the seats...
     
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    Here is my sticker from September 19th.

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    I went through all the calculations and ordered a P85D.
    Original Sticker $132,170, Same car (minus the wall charger I'm keeping) P85D $137,570

    Where you put the wall charger in these calculations matters and it is now $500 cheaper.

    Difference in cost of a P85D without a wall charger is $5,400 compared to a similarly configured P85+ with a wall charger. It is actually either $1,250 or $750 more. My cost on Trade deducting the ($1250 wall charger) is $12,420... But since I'm trading into Tesla I save $3K-$4K in taxes. Because of special circumstances my trade happens when I take delivery of my P85D, which has slipped from January to February. So this $12,420 is my cost of using my P85+ for roughly 4-5 months. This ends up being only a bit more than what I would have paid to lease the car for 36 months. And if they offered a 5 month lease ($2484/month) I'm getting a deal... I also have to float two State and Federal Tax credits. Not taking the tax credit float my total cost is $17,820K + Tax. But I'm looking at it as I'm paying the $12,420 as an expensive short term lease for the use of the P85+ and my cost for the new P85D is $5,400 + some tax. You can also pull out the delivery charge ($1170) to make it feel even better...
     

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    I'm good with the rationalization of the purchase price difference :)

    What other costs would be different over the lifetime of the car? Insurance? Tires (of course based in driving habits), EPA rating, etc.
     
  15. 13P85plus

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    Interesting. This is the window sticker I received via email for the alleged P85+ I am buying CPO.

    Wonder what's with the pricing difference with performance plus
     

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  16. NOLA_Mike

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    They redid the pricing (i.e., the spoiler was included in mine whereas it was broken out in the newer one you're looking at) between those two VINs.

    Bottom line is they look like similarly equipped cars and the bottom line is close.
     
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    I hope. It was listed as a P85 on the website, but he said it's a P85+ just not optioned and listed correctly.

    Just strange that your total package was about $10,000, and mine is $6750 total.
     
  18. HyperMiler

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    Objectively speaking, the 90D is equivalent to the old P85 in terms of HP and acceleration, and quite a bit less expensive... ?
     

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