It will actually help traction on packed snow and ice as well as increase resistance to hydroplaning.
It will actually help traction on packed snow and ice as well as increase resistance to hydroplaning.
AmpedUP
EV Nut
Well, somehow my reply posted earlier today either disappeared or was never posted. I've been researching exactly this route, and determined that it was best to take Rt. 20 to maintain efficiency. Let us know what the charger situation is at Greenbriar...it appears as though they have 6 charges, but not sure if they are level 2 or not.
There will be some elevation gain from Richmond as you go up and over the Blue Ridge. I would suggest stopping at the UVA Parking Garage charger for 2-3 hours. It's in the Central Grounds garage and you can easily spend several hours there checking out the town and university. Plenty of good restaurants walking distance away.Once you regain your lost mileage coming from Glen Allen, you're golden, only 130 miles to Greenbriar. I would feel very comfortable making that drive in cold weather at freeway speeds with 190-200 miles of range. There are a few Model S owners in C-ville, including one TMC member (are you out there CarreraScott?) who has a HPWC.
There are also recently installed chargers at the new Hyatt (or maybe Hilton?) hotel on the north side of C-ville but I seem to remember someone saying they're for guests only. I live in Lynchburg 65 miles south of C-ville. Happy to loan out my 14-50 but I think it's probably a little out of the way for your trip.
There are also recently installed chargers at the new Hyatt (or maybe Hilton?) hotel on the north side of C-ville but I seem to remember someone saying they're for guests only. I live in Lynchburg 65 miles south of C-ville. Happy to loan out my 14-50 but I think it's probably a little out of the way for your trip.
purplewalt
Active Member
There is a lot of great advice here for long-distance traveling.
Best of Luck, I am looking forward to reading your report of your first successful Winter adventure.
Best of Luck, I am looking forward to reading your report of your first successful Winter adventure.
Thanks everyone! We've done the easy legs, Hamptons to NYC and NYC to Philadelphia, without incident...We did these legs with normal driving conditions (no cruise control, not monitoring heat, etc)...However, we didn't exceed 65 mph, the weather was in the 40's and the route was pretty flat...And we used 138 rated miles to go 108 actual miles. So, while we can certainly improve some things (no heat, blcruise control), I think those adjustments will be minor, and that outlr payload (two adults, two kids l, plus luggage for 8 days) is the significant factor. And we haven't even hit the mountains yet. So, while I will certainly employ range mode, I think it's pretty clear that we're going to have to make a proactive charge stop either near Charlottsville (for an HPWC) or in Waynesboro (for the J1772), with that RV park in Clifton Forge being a great back-up emergency plan. Since we will already be making two Supercharger stops today, it's going to be a hard sell to stop for a third for a significant amount of time...As it's a long drive, we're not going to be loking to kill time, but rather get enough chèvre to get us there (with a cushion). Sure, we could stops four times just to be safe, but I'm trying to make this as fluid as possible...Stopping to charge during meal/bathroom breaks is fluid...Additionl stops start to make a trip like this feel more like a challenge in an EV. Personally, I love the challenge, it makes me feel like an explorer...But from a family trip point of view with young kids, not so much.
We leave in a hour...Stay tuned! And thanks so, so much for the ideas, advice, encouragement and support
We leave in a hour...Stay tuned! And thanks so, so much for the ideas, advice, encouragement and support
Sory to get to you late, but for the trip home there is a Tesla store at Westfield Montgomery with a HPWC.
(raises hand)
If the temperature is much below freezing, going uphill, you will Not get 200 mi. If it is above freezing you will have no problem.
Made it to Glen Allen, Virginia Supercharger without incident...Although, what's up, Viginia people...Thanks for letting me know that Route 1 is totally shut down! It's like the Big Dig of the South! Anyway, even a 1.5 hour delay didn't cramp my style and we made it from the Newark, Delaware supercharger to Glen Allen with 32 miles to spare (I managed 208 actual miles using 214 miles of Rated Range, at an average of 301 Wh/mi)...Weather was dry in the mid-40's and we had cruise control set at 60 just about the whole way. Heat was off (didn't really need it), but we popped the defogger on here and there to defog.
We're about to head out on the last leg, the one that I'm most nervous about...193 mountainous miles to the Greenbrier. F ngers crossed! I'll check back in when we make it there, hopefully in about 3-ish hours!
We're about to head out on the last leg, the one that I'm most nervous about...193 mountainous miles to the Greenbrier. F ngers crossed! I'll check back in when we make it there, hopefully in about 3-ish hours!
that,s not very funny, with small children in the car. I drove my car to zero. Not fun, car bucked like a bronco in the cold with zero miles.
Keep us posted. A little charge means alot.
Btrflyl8e
Supporting Member
You got this! And you have several emergency backups, so enjoy the adventure!Made it to Glen Allen, Virginia Supercharger without incident...Although, what's up, Viginia people...Thanks for letting me know that Route 1 is totally shut down! It's like the Big Dig of the South! Anyway, even a 1.5 hour delay didn't cramp my style and we made it from the Newark, Delaware supercharger to Glen Allen with 32 miles to spare (I managed 208 actual miles using 214 miles of Rated Range, at an average of 301 Wh/mi)...Weather was dry in the mid-40's and we had cruise control set at 60 just about the whole way. Heat was off (didn't really need it), but we popped the defogger on here and there to defog.
We're about to head out on the last leg, the one that I'm most nervous about...193 mountainous miles to the Greenbrier. F ngers crossed! I'll check back in when we make it there, hopefully in about 3-ish hours!
We made it! With 27 miles to spare, and we didn't even have to stop for an interim charge, which was our back-up emergency plan. I'll crunch the numbers and post all the gory details tomorrow...But the good news is, we made it here, without freezing, without running out of battery, and without too much stress. I have newfound admiration for my 1-year old baby Tesla
Lyon
2016 S P100DL, 2016 X P90D
Fantastic! Great photo btw, I'm glad you and your family made it safely, comfortably and in undeniable style!
Btrflyl8e
Supporting Member
SwedishAdvocate
Active Member
muleferg
Active Member
Great news. There's no substitute for experience to gain confidence in the capabilities of the car. And it's all downhill to Glen Allen :smile:
Thanks again for all of your advice, a lot of it was VERY helpful (and calming ) I will respond to some of your questions/comments individually a bit later...In the meantime, I just wanted to share the raw data from the various legs of my trip, as well as some conclusions...
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Vehicle: Tesla Model S P85 w/21” wheels
Passengers: 2 Adults, 2 Kids (450lbs)
Cargo: Luggage for 1 week (200 lbs)
Exterior Temps: Start: 45 degrees, falling to 35 degrees
NYC --> Philadelphia, PA
ACTUAL MILES: 108
RANGE USED: 138
RANGE LOST: 30 miles
LOSS PERCENTAGE: 28%
ENERGY USED: 44.4 kWh
AVERAGE: 386 Wh/mi
NOTES: Normal highway driving (55-65mph, no cruise control), normal heat usage (68-70 degrees), lite/no traffic.
Philadelphia, PA --> Newark, DE
ACTUAL MILES: 37
RANGE USED: 48
RANGE LOST: 11 miles
LOSS PERCENTAGE: 30%
ENERGY USED: 15.5 kWh
AVERAGE: 397 Wh/mi
NOTES: Normal highway driving (55-65mph, no cruise control), normal heat usage (68-70 degrees), lite/no traffic.
Newark, DE --> Glen Allen, VA
ACTUAL MILES: 208
RANGE USED: 214
RANGE LOST: 6 miles
LOSS PERCENTAGE: 3%
ENERGY USED: 62.5 kWh
AVERAGE: 301 Wh/mi
NOTES: Cruise control 55mph (when able), minimal/intermittent defogger usage, moderate/heavy traffic, very flat route.
Glen Allen, VA --> White Sulphur Springs, WV
ACTUAL MILES: 193
RANGE USED: 224
RANGE LOST: 31 miles
LOSS PERCENTAGE: 16%
ENERGY USED: 65.3 kWh
AVERAGE: 339 Wh/mi
NOTES: Cruise control 50-60mph, minimal/intermittent defogger usage, lite/no traffic, mountainous route
CONCLUSIONS:
> The combination of not using cruise control and using consistent heat led to big losses in rated range (although I can’t say which contributed more/less).
> Using cruise control with moderate speed and limited heat/defogger use on a flat route was very efficient…Even with heavy payload/cargo, came very close to 1:1 mileage.
> 1.5 hours of stop-and-go traffic in the middle of the Newark, DE – Glen Allen, VA leg didn’t seem to have significant effect (50-mile breakdowns were almost exactly consistent).
> Defogger conservation was problematic: On low fan speed, it would just blow out cold air, even if the temp was set to high. We ended up turning it on sparingly when needed.
> In extreme conditions (cold weather, heavy payload/cargo, routes with elevation), calculate for a 20-30% loss of rated range at minimum!
> We had several backup charger locations (Via ChargePoint, PlugShare, KOA/Campsite apps), and had address/phone number/directions written down (in case of no cell signal).
> While we did restrict our speed somewhat, and used heating/defogger sparingly, thankfully we never had to radically slow down or use an interim/emergency charging location!
> The energy/rated range consumption estimates from EVTripPlanner.com were way too conservative, to the point where it was unusable. Even when I low-balled my figures, their estimates were way off-base from reality. On one hand, it made me super-prepared, and hyper-vigilant about my energy consumption...On the other hand, it led to range anxiety, and created a lack of confidence in being able to use it as a viable tool for EV route planning/energy consumption.
) I will respond to some of your questions/comments individually a bit later...In the meantime, I just wanted to share the raw data from the various legs of my trip, as well as some conclusions...- - - Updated - - -
Vehicle: Tesla Model S P85 w/21” wheels
Passengers: 2 Adults, 2 Kids (450lbs)
Cargo: Luggage for 1 week (200 lbs)
Exterior Temps: Start: 45 degrees, falling to 35 degrees
NYC --> Philadelphia, PA
ACTUAL MILES: 108
RANGE USED: 138
RANGE LOST: 30 miles
LOSS PERCENTAGE: 28%
ENERGY USED: 44.4 kWh
AVERAGE: 386 Wh/mi
NOTES: Normal highway driving (55-65mph, no cruise control), normal heat usage (68-70 degrees), lite/no traffic.
Philadelphia, PA --> Newark, DE
ACTUAL MILES: 37
RANGE USED: 48
RANGE LOST: 11 miles
LOSS PERCENTAGE: 30%
ENERGY USED: 15.5 kWh
AVERAGE: 397 Wh/mi
NOTES: Normal highway driving (55-65mph, no cruise control), normal heat usage (68-70 degrees), lite/no traffic.
Newark, DE --> Glen Allen, VA
ACTUAL MILES: 208
RANGE USED: 214
RANGE LOST: 6 miles
LOSS PERCENTAGE: 3%
ENERGY USED: 62.5 kWh
AVERAGE: 301 Wh/mi
NOTES: Cruise control 55mph (when able), minimal/intermittent defogger usage, moderate/heavy traffic, very flat route.
Glen Allen, VA --> White Sulphur Springs, WV
ACTUAL MILES: 193
RANGE USED: 224
RANGE LOST: 31 miles
LOSS PERCENTAGE: 16%
ENERGY USED: 65.3 kWh
AVERAGE: 339 Wh/mi
NOTES: Cruise control 50-60mph, minimal/intermittent defogger usage, lite/no traffic, mountainous route
CONCLUSIONS:
> The combination of not using cruise control and using consistent heat led to big losses in rated range (although I can’t say which contributed more/less).
> Using cruise control with moderate speed and limited heat/defogger use on a flat route was very efficient…Even with heavy payload/cargo, came very close to 1:1 mileage.
> 1.5 hours of stop-and-go traffic in the middle of the Newark, DE – Glen Allen, VA leg didn’t seem to have significant effect (50-mile breakdowns were almost exactly consistent).
> Defogger conservation was problematic: On low fan speed, it would just blow out cold air, even if the temp was set to high. We ended up turning it on sparingly when needed.
> In extreme conditions (cold weather, heavy payload/cargo, routes with elevation), calculate for a 20-30% loss of rated range at minimum!
> We had several backup charger locations (Via ChargePoint, PlugShare, KOA/Campsite apps), and had address/phone number/directions written down (in case of no cell signal).
> While we did restrict our speed somewhat, and used heating/defogger sparingly, thankfully we never had to radically slow down or use an interim/emergency charging location!
> The energy/rated range consumption estimates from EVTripPlanner.com were way too conservative, to the point where it was unusable. Even when I low-balled my figures, their estimates were way off-base from reality. On one hand, it made me super-prepared, and hyper-vigilant about my energy consumption...On the other hand, it led to range anxiety, and created a lack of confidence in being able to use it as a viable tool for EV route planning/energy consumption.
