Well, I never had to do it before this 20 second rule. This says a lot about how great Tesla has improved the product. We are just being victims of Tesla because of public pressure. I'm pretty sure at some point when auto radios where introduced in the market there were some people saying they would cause accidents because people would be distracted while driving.. . In two or three years most automakers will have similar AP solutions and this will not be a problem anymore.
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Hold Steering Wheel every 20-25 seconds?
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Well, I never had to do it before this 20 second rule. This says a lot about how great Tesla has improved the product. We are just being victims of Tesla because of public pressure. I'm pretty sure at some point when auto radios where introduced in the market there were some people saying they would cause accidents because people would be distracted while driving.. . In two or three years most automakers will have similar AP solutions and this will not be a problem anymore.
The most important thing when you drive is visual awareness, not the hands on the wheel. This 20 second rule fails for two reasons:
1- if you're distracted but still holding the wheel, your car will assume you're aware and not display any alarms. Before that at least when you were not holding the wheel the AP would trigger an alert for you to hold the wheel. Right now, if you're distracted you will only notice when it's too late.
2 - you spend most of the driving looking at the dashboard checking if you're having nags, unless you drive with one hand only.
People will probably say "you can't be distracted while driving". Well, that is a rule for all drivers, AP or not, so just stop making the system unusable and make the users responsible for their actions.
1- if you're distracted but still holding the wheel, your car will assume you're aware and not display any alarms. Before that at least when you were not holding the wheel the AP would trigger an alert for you to hold the wheel. Right now, if you're distracted you will only notice when it's too late.
2 - you spend most of the driving looking at the dashboard checking if you're having nags, unless you drive with one hand only.
People will probably say "you can't be distracted while driving". Well, that is a rule for all drivers, AP or not, so just stop making the system unusable and make the users responsible for their actions.
This does have to get better, having to wiggle the wheel every 20-30 seconds gets tedious on a long trip. Even when I have both hands on the wheel this happens and have even gotten the "red hands" and had the AP shut down for the rest of the trip. Only have had the car for 3 months so still tying to figure it out.
As has been posted probably a hundred times in this thread, everybody agrees that one hand on the wheel avoids the nags. The problem is having two hands on the wheel does not avoid the nags because they balance each other.
Yes, this is exactly the problem. Tesla has absolutely no way of measuring driver attentiveness to the road, and Tesla's nag system specifically requires attentiveness to the instrument cluster rather than the road. Elon was too cheap to put in an eye tracker. Also too cheap to put in a HUD so that you could actually see the visual alerts while keeping your eyes on the road. GM SuperCruise and Comma.ai both have eye trackers but somehow that wasn't good enough for Elon. We're all paying the price for those decisions.
Maybe they could vibrate the wheel instead of using visual alerts? The nice thing about that is that you will only feel the vibration if you have your hands on the wheel in the first place, so if you respond to vibration the car can be pretty sure you have your hands on the wheel. Still no solution for determining if you have your eyes on the road.
I was just trying to emphasize that wiggling the wheel is not necessary as a poster mentioned, thats all.
Marshallo
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Yep, AP1 and AP2 for the folks that have enough common sense to know when something is not working right!
The koolaid drinks well they will just learn to live with it and make up excuses about it being for safety!
Marshallo
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[QUOTE="An actual touch-sensitive steering wheel would be vastly better and is definitely possible even under a leather-like covering with modern capacitive touch sensors.[/QUOTE]
They should have used touch-sensors in the first place and we would not be having this problem and discussion right now.
They should have not put out a crappy firmware patch to hide the perceived safety problem, They need to fix the problem!
Well ALL PAID enough money for a high end vehicle.
They should have used touch-sensors in the first place and we would not be having this problem and discussion right now.
They should have not put out a crappy firmware patch to hide the perceived safety problem, They need to fix the problem!
Well ALL PAID enough money for a high end vehicle.
Marshallo
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Its because Tesla sent out a firmware fix and screwed your autopilot up and they won't admit it. They are hiding behind "in the name of safety"
Marshallo
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Gee, are you actually going to go out a limb and say that we are all adults and should be responsible for our own actions. Including paying attention when we drive??? And not try and blame someone else???
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Marshallo
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Updated response back from Tesla
After I posted that I had not received a response back in 3 days from Mr Cohen. I did finally receive a response back.
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Dear Mr. xxxxx,
Thank you for reaching out to Tesla Inc.
I am sorry hearing you are disappointed with the changes brought by the recent firmware updates of your vehicle. As you may know, Autosteer detects your hands by recognizing light resistance as the steering wheel turns, or from you manually turning the steering wheel very lightly.
With that said, I have well have logged your feedback in the system in order to bring it to the attention of our engineers.
We rely on the dedication of owners such as yourself to help us perfect and refine our vehicles, and we truly appreciate the input you have provided today. Please continue to keep us informed and be honest with anything that may arise in the future.
Thank you again for your comments and for the trust you place in us.
Kind Regards,
David Cohen | Executive Care
Burgemeester Stramanweg 122 | 1101EN Amsterdam
www.tesla.com
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First off, I wish I had his job hours where I could wait a full 3 days before finally getting around to responding back to a customer who took the time to email about a concern.
This is again a weak response from a Tesla PR person that really has no solution to the problem. Nore does he even know what is happening to fix it.
This line is a good one.
"We rely on the dedication of owners such as yourself to help us perfect and refine our vehicles, and we truly appreciate the input you have provided today. Please continue to keep us informed and be honest with anything that may arise in the future."
WOW, it should read more like. "We screwed up the firmware update and did not test it out properly before sending it out. So, rely on pissed off customers to give us feedback that we screwed things up in the autopilot feature so we can someday fix it."
Hey all, I am happy to report that 2018.26 3bbd9fd seems to have addressed the nag interval, I am surprised not more folks are talking about it, perhaps not many have it?
MarkKW
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With 24.1 I used to get nagged every 20 seconds or so, with this update it seems to have returned to pre-24.1 nag intervals, I tested it last night, 2017 MS75 AP 2.5
Update - went out for another drive on the interstate today and timed the nag intervals.... at 60 mph I engaged autopilot and started the clock, 40 seconds is when I get the first nag to hold the steering wheel and this was consistent during my testing multiple times.
Jevi_S85D
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My 85D from Nov 2015 won't download 2018.26 (Denmark). Tried several times with and w/o wifi.
Is new nagging changed wrt the stupid change that only shows a white band at top of the screen typically disguised by the wheel ?
Anyways I've learned myself to always have my left hand resting on the wheel in a somewhat comfortable position to avoid nags altogether.
Is new nagging changed wrt the stupid change that only shows a white band at top of the screen typically disguised by the wheel ?
Anyways I've learned myself to always have my left hand resting on the wheel in a somewhat comfortable position to avoid nags altogether.
maddog1762
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