Holiday Update (2021.44.25.2)- A Big Disappointment

[Dennisis]

Energy display is mostly useless, IME. Energy display gives you a huge undulating graph of estimated range that is not connected to your current trip at all, plus it takes the entire screen to do so. The odometer cards gave you a nice succinct Wh/mi for the current trip, since the last charge or since resetting the trip odometer. plus you could easily leave them up the entire time.

Yeah, I have to say of all things I really liked the easy access to the wh/mi info as previously displayed. After using V11 for a while now I've determined that's my No. 1 gripe - don't really care about the blind spot (have turned it off) and have ZERO interest in games.

 

[Jimt29]

Energy display is mostly useless, IME. Energy display gives you a huge undulating graph of estimated range that is not connected to your current trip at all, plus it takes the entire screen to do so. The odometer cards gave you a nice succinct Wh/mi for the current trip, since the last charge or since resetting the trip odometer. plus you could easily leave them up the entire time.

That’s what I miss most.

 

[WattsappMTL]

Energy display is mostly useless, IME. Energy display gives you a huge undulating graph of estimated range that is not connected to your current trip at all, plus it takes the entire screen to do so. The odometer cards gave you a nice succinct Wh/mi for the current trip, since the last charge or since resetting the trip odometer. plus you could easily leave them up the entire time.

I use it in trip mode when I have a destination set. It's more practical for tracking that way.

 

[Jimt29]

Another Christmas Update wrinkle. Notifications for Updates are no longer forthcoming. Other notifications are working fine.

Now Updates are on the cars nav screen. Surprise, you have an update pending.

 

[sleepydoc]

Another Christmas Update wrinkle. Notifications for Updates are no longer forthcoming. Other notifications are working fine.

Now Updates are on the cars nav screen. Surprise, you have an update pending.

Do you get notifications on your phone? what exactly shows on your car?

 

[Big Earl]

A new question about something I hate in the new UI - wonder if anyone has a shortcut: I frequently want to change the view of my Nav screen from close view (the way I usually use it) to viewing the full route for a bit, and then back again.

Before, the options button (from N, to current direction, to full route) was available in the upper R of the screen. Now it seems it's in the upper L, but it is (like so many other things) buried in a second tap........I have to tap the screen to display that little icon, and then tap it again to cycle through what I want. Annoying and dangerous, because I can't hit that little icon without looking over at the screen.....I have to tap the map, then look over and locate the little icon quickly before it disappears, and then tap it twice (with my trembling fingers, in a moving car) without accidentally hitting the Navigate bar. Then, after I've viewed the whole route, I have to tap the screen again to bring up the icon which I have to look at quickly before it disappears, and then tap it again to bring up the closer view. And hope I don't hit the Navigate bar again to bring up the options to enter a new destination, because then I'd have to tap a part of the screen without it to make those go away, and then try it all again.

Does anyone know of a better or faster way to alternate between the different viewing options of the Nav screen?

Tapping the top item in the turn-by-turn list will toggle back and forth between your current setting (heading up or north up) and the trip overview.

And since several people have asked in other threads, the estimated arrival state-of-charge is where it has always been, at the bottom of the turn-by-turn list.

 

[sleepydoc]

Tapping the top item in the turn-by-turn list will toggle back and forth between your current setting (heading up or north up) and the trip overview.

And since several people have asked in other threads, the estimated arrival state-of-charge is where it has always been, at the bottom of the turn-by-turn list.

Except it was always visible before. Now it's only visible if you have the full turn by turn list open and scroll to the bottom.

 

[OxBrew]

Except it was always visible before. Now it's only visible if you have the full turn by turn list open and scroll to the bottom.

I'm still on v10, 2021.44.6, and the SOC remaining at end is only visible with the turn by turn fully open. (I have waypoints, but can't re-order them, just for reference).

I leave the music on half screen and it shoves the turn by turn up above it, and still shows SOC at destination.

Minimized, I just have eta and miles to go (I think?) but for sure no SOC

 

[Big Earl]

Energy display is mostly useless, IME. Energy display gives you a huge undulating graph of estimated range that is not connected to your current trip at all, plus it takes the entire screen to do so. The odometer cards gave you a nice succinct Wh/mi for the current trip, since the last charge or since resetting the trip odometer. plus you could easily leave them up the entire time.

The energy app has two tabs: consumption and trip.

The consumption tab is a look at your recent history over 5, 15 or 30 miles with a projected range based on that recent consumption.

The trip tab compares the computer’s initial (calculated at the start of a trip) estimated consumption and state of charge upon arrival compared (gray line) compared to your actual consumption with a continuously-revised estimate (green line). The trip tab takes into account speed limits and elevation changes.

The energy app’s trip tab is far more useful for actual energy monitoring than a simple Wh/mi display.

Pictures from V10. Energy app functionality is identical in V11. I just happened to have these two good examples from V10 available.

Yes, it covers the map, but I only check it a few times during a trip to see if I’m on track or not.

 

[Big Earl]

Except it was always visible before. Now it's only visible if you have the full turn by turn list open and scroll to the bottom.

It was not always visible before. If it had been, I wouldn’t have needed to toggle between heading up and turn-by-turn in order to see it (or use the trip tab in the energy app).

 

[Calliope]

And since several people have asked in other threads, the estimated arrival state-of-charge is where it has always been, at the bottom of the turn-by-turn list.

Not in my car it isn't. I have to use the "Energy" button in the Trip view to see the estimated SoC at my destination.

 

[sleepydoc]

I'm still on v10, 2021.44.6, and the SOC remaining at end is only visible with the turn by turn fully open. (I have waypoints, but can't re-order them, just for reference).

I leave the music on half screen and it shoves the turn by turn up above it, and still shows SOC at destination.

Minimized, I just have eta and miles to go (I think?) but for sure no SOC

Thanks - I remember it being always visible but I'm obviously not on V10 anymore so I have no way of checking.

The energy app has two tabs: consumption and trip.

The consumption tab is a look at your recent history over 5, 15 or 30 miles with a projected range based on that recent consumption.

The trip tab compares the computer’s initial (calculated at the start of a trip) estimated consumption and state of charge upon arrival compared (gray line) compared to your actual consumption with a continuously-revised estimate (green line). The trip tab takes into account speed limits and elevation changes.

The energy app’s trip tab is far more useful for actual energy monitoring than a simple Wh/mi display.

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Pictures from V10. Energy app functionality is identical in V11. I just happened to have these two good examples from V10 available.

Yes, it covers the map, but I only check it a few times during a trip to see if I’m on track or not.

As I said, consumption is more or less unless, and the trip only works if you're using the map for navigation and then it obscures the map that you're ostensibly using. The majority of my driving I do without the map so it's still basically useless.

The cards that they had in V10 were quick, easy to pull up, unobtrusive and gave you more useful information.

 

[Calliope]

The majority of my driving I do without the map so it's still basically useless.

Sometimes I set a trip up just to see the expected SOC when I get there, then cancel the trip and never actually use the nav system.

 

[kavyboy]

consumption is more or less unless

I keep it up because I like it and it looks cool, but yeah, it really is kind of useless. I still don't know why the different time lengths (5/15/30 minutes, I think?) bear really no resemblance to each other. I would expect it to zoom in to the right side of the chart when viewing a shorter interval, but it really seems like three unrelated charts.
Trip chart, though, is super useful on trips.

 

[Big Earl]

I keep it up because I like it and it looks cool, but yeah, it really is kind of useless. I still don't know why the different time lengths (5/15/30 minutes, I think?) bear really no resemblance to each other. I would expect it to zoom in to the right side of the chart when viewing a shorter interval, but it really seems like three unrelated charts.
Trip chart, though, is super useful on trips.

The options are your past 5, 15 and 30 miles of driving. The 5 mile chart would show you the right sixth of the 30 mile chart, with better definition. The 15 mile chart would show you the right half of the 30 mile chart.

 

[sleepydoc]

I keep it up because I like it and it looks cool, but yeah, it really is kind of useless. I still don't know why the different time lengths (5/15/30 minutes, I think?) bear really no resemblance to each other. I would expect it to zoom in to the right side of the chart when viewing a shorter interval, but it really seems like three unrelated charts.
Trip chart, though, is super useful on trips.

The trip chart would be useful on a longer trip like a road trip (assuming you're using the navigation,) but I found the trip card to be the most useful in day to day driving.

 

[WattsappMTL]

The energy app has two tabs: consumption and trip.

The consumption tab is a look at your recent history over 5, 15 or 30 miles with a projected range based on that recent consumption.

The trip tab compares the computer’s initial (calculated at the start of a trip) estimated consumption and state of charge upon arrival compared (gray line) compared to your actual consumption with a continuously-revised estimate (green line). The trip tab takes into account speed limits and elevation changes.

The energy app’s trip tab is far more useful for actual energy monitoring than a simple Wh/mi display.

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Pictures from V10. Energy app functionality is identical in V11. I just happened to have these two good examples from V10 available.

Yes, it covers the map, but I only check it a few times during a trip to see if I’m on track or not.

Wow, that's some downhill ride in the middle of the trip! Never see that where I drive. I have Energy icon on my launcher bar when I'm on a road trip, so it's a quick tap to check how I'm doing then tap again to uncover the map.

 

[Big Earl]

Wow, that's some downhill ride in the middle of the trip! Never see that where I drive. I have Energy icon on my launcher bar when I'm on a road trip, so it's a quick tap to check how I'm doing then tap again to uncover the map.

That second pic was taken on 441 south of Gatlinburg, TN.

 

[Benito1283]

The trip chart would be useful on a longer trip like a road trip (assuming you're using the navigation,) but I found the trip card to be the most useful in day to day driving.

For longer trips you can just reset one of your trip meters and that will tell you your average Wh/mi for that trip. A chart would be a nice option too though.

 

[kavyboy]

The options are your past 5, 15 and 30 miles of driving. The 5 mile chart would show you the right sixth of the 30 mile chart, with better definition. The 15 mile chart would show you the right half of the 30 mile chart.

Yep, it should be that, but for me it doesn't look that way. Imagine at 30 minutes, the the right 1/6 is level. Then at 15 minutes, it shows a uniform upward slope. Then at 5 minutes, it displays a swoop down into the green and back up. That's the kind of charts I am seeing - no correlation really at all. It's not like I could really do anything with that info, anyway, so it's OK.
I think the only consistency across all three I've seen is that long, steep slope down from West Virginia into North Caroline, where they all bottom out at max green.