sleepydoc
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well, I am an engineer. More importantly I understand how a turn signal stalk works, so I'm good!You clearly don't understand what a mode is. Leave the discussion to the engineers.
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well, I am an engineer. More importantly I understand how a turn signal stalk works, so I'm good!You clearly don't understand what a mode is. Leave the discussion to the engineers.
Agreed. Even the people who like it say it took them a month or so to get used to it. If it takes a month to get used to it, maybe there's a design issue. @strider is right on about there being a cognitive bias to like it. They copied the yoke of a plane, but driving a car is not flying a plane. Making it standard rather than an option is truly baffling.While I disagree with the actual %'s, I do agree with the thought. In retrospect, I probably would have pushed off my order until a wheel was available.
As for the falcon wing doors, that 100% kept me from even thinking about ordering one.
I strongly believe the yoke will repel more people than it will attract in its current state. I am giving up and going to order a Hansshow wheel and hope a solution will appear to get the stalks back that is supported by Tesla at some point.
There is a thread on TMC here:There is a video out there where someone figured out how to take the Model 3's column, with stalks and wheel and make them work on the Model S. So it "can" be done. Changing the wheel itself is fairly easy, but changing the column and getting the stalks to work I would imagine is a bit complex. Had Tesla just offered it as an option, many more would be attracted to it. But apparently, at this point since they are selling more than they can build, I guess they really don't care. Probably their pay of managing demand without having to turn people down.
There is a video out there where someone figured out how to take the Model 3's column, with stalks and wheel and make them work on the Model S. So it "can" be done. Changing the wheel itself is fairly easy, but changing the column and getting the stalks to work I would imagine is a bit complex. Had Tesla just offered it as an option, many more would be attracted to it. But apparently, at this point since they are selling more than they can build, I guess they really don't care. Probably their pay of managing demand without having to turn people down.
haha. I never knew a plane could double park and go in reverse to do so. Removing haptic feedback in a vehicle is so dumb, Tesla. So cheap. So dumb, cheap and arrogant, Elon.Agreed. Even the people who like it say it took them a month or so to get used to it. If it takes a month to get used to it, maybe there's a design issue. @strider is right on about there being a cognitive bias to like it. They copied the yoke of a plane, but driving a car is not flying a plane. Making it standard rather than an option is truly baffling.
Ha! We have duopolies and oligopolies now. Heck, we even have industries and companies writing legislation to benefit their own interests. There is a word for that... too.The free market is all about options.
haha. I never knew a plane could double park and go in reverse to do so. Removing haptic feedback in a vehicle is so dumb, Tesla. So cheap. So dumb, cheap and arrogant, Elon.
No,... not that stalk.Which haptic feedback did they remove? My yoke is full of it and strong.
Or maybe 1/10 if they didn't have the Yoke. Hard to say how many love it vs. those that hate it. It does seem to be polarizing. Then again, if demand was 10 times larger, there would be a 10-year wait to get one. Tesla does not have a demand issue, which may prove they made the right choice. I'm sure if demand was 1/10 due to the yoke, you'd be seeing Tesla go back to the antique round steering wheel, even if it is less safe. My guess is the next major refresh of the 3/Y will go to the safer Yoke design. By then, there will be competitors who don't care much about safety for those that want an old-style car.Just imagine the Model X demand without the joke and falcon! It could be 10 times higher.
Ryan has gone dark. If you read through that thread there was talk of working w/ one of the Tesla aftermarket companies to create a package. Not sure if that's in flight....
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Elon is designing these cars to be "driverless".
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I think the saddest part of this thread is that your car is already in the shop for a major failure after only 5,000 miles. I'm not trolling. I pick up my Plaid X in 9 days. Having been following all of the various delivery and issues threads, I hope that I'm able to purchase my car and actually drive it home instead of to a Service Center.
Please tell us, exactly how is the yoke safer? Multiple outside reviews have noted safety issues, not the least of which is the fact that in an emergency it’s harder to find a place to grave. Living in MN, I wear gloves or mittens a significant part of the year. Touch buttons for turn signals, seriously???? It’s clear the people who designed it lived in southern California. I’ve seen several outside reviews and they are overwhelmingly negative.Or maybe 1/10 if they didn't have the Yoke. Hard to say how many love it vs. those that hate it. It does seem to be polarizing. Then again, if demand was 10 times larger, there would be a 10-year wait to get one. Tesla does not have a demand issue, which may prove they made the right choice. I'm sure if demand was 1/10 due to the yoke, you'd be seeing Tesla go back to the antique round steering wheel, even if it is less safe. My guess is the next major refresh of the 3/Y will go to the safer Yoke design. By then, there will be competitors who don't care much about safety for those that want an old-style car.
Took me longer to get used to driving an EV, (one pedal efficiently, no instrument cluster, screen buttons) especially the Model 3 than the Yoke. I guess the whole car is a design flaw.Agreed. Even the people who like it say it took them a month or so to get used to it. If it takes a month to get used to it, maybe there's a design issue. @strider is right on about there being a cognitive bias to like it. They copied the yoke of a plane, but driving a car is not flying a plane. Making it standard rather than an option is truly baffling.
1) With the yoke you can't hold the wheel above the 9 and 3 o'clock positions. On the old-style round wheel, if the airbag fires and your hands are at the upper portion, it shoots your hands into your face, usually breaking both wrists and can cause serious damage to your face and even blindness.Please tell us, exactly how is the yoke safer?
1) Not an issue - just put your hands at whatever position you consider to be safe. Conversely, there are times when the supposedly ‘unsafe’ 9 and 3 positions are necessary when turning, making emergency maneuvers, etc. Beyond that, the recommendation assumes you will be driving straight ahead when the airbags deploy. More often drivers attempt to avoid the object by tuning the wheel making the hand position irrelevant. Verdict: Fail.1) With the yoke you can't hold the wheel above the 9 and 3 o'clock positions. On the old-style round wheel, if the airbag fires and your hands are at the upper portion, it shoots your hands into your face, usually breaking both wrists and can cause serious damage to your face and even blindness.
2) The instrument cluster is not blocked by the upper part of the steering wheel. This is less of an issue as many people can adjust the steering or seat to compensate, but not all people. And you may have to compromise your seating position to make the instrument panel fully visible with a round wheel.
3) Stalk removal is a mixed bag in my opinion. Since there are no standards on stalks, as you switch different cars/brands/models, you have the risk of doing something bad because the cars operate differently. At least with the stalks gone, this risk is reduced. I've had no problem adapting to it, but it is different. I think the automatic drive control is cool, but a work in progress. I expect it to get better. I'd estimate it's about 95% accurate when called upon, but it really should be 100%.
4) Less of a safety issue, but a Yoke advantage is it's easier to get in and out of the car. Some other manufacturers also place a flat spot on the bottom of the steering wheel for this reason.
In most negative reviews I've seen, either people have not actually used the Yoke or they use it for a few hours and go in with hate (and there are a lot of Tesla haters out there). As for tight turns in a parking lot, I can rotate the yoke as fast or faster than a conventional steering wheel - it really is easy, but it is different. I understand some can't tolerate any change and there is nothing wrong with that. There are plenty of old-style cars available. Tesla has no problems selling everything they can make to those that like what they are doing. All I can say is if you don't like it, don't buy it - but also don't write it off without really trying it. You may be pleasantly surprised as I was.