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Hoodwinked by Tesla w/ Release of S70D?

Discussion in 'Model S: Ordering, Production, Delivery' started by y2kcurt, Apr 9, 2015.

  1. y2kcurt

    y2kcurt Member

    Apr 9, 2015
    Denver, CO
    I literally just took delivery of my Model S 60 two days ago and Tesla released the Model S 70D, which gives a bigger battery and all wheel drive, for the same price (same options) as I paid for the S60 I just took delivery on.

    Is anyone aware of any window of opportunity to return the S60 and upgrade since it has only been 2 days or have I been hoodwinked? I fell like the S70D just completely killed my resale value.
  2. lphe

    lphe Member

    Mar 18, 2015
    Eagan, MN
    Maybe the frequent changes to the Model S is a good reason for leasing it. With a lease you can upgrade to a better car or cancel it within 3 months.
  3. In2oil

    In2oil Member

    Nov 23, 2013

    If you can upgrade to a 70kw battery for the same price.. Do it..
  4. Rockster

    Rockster Active Member

    Oct 22, 2013
    McKinney, TX
    Welcome to TMC.

    I must respectfully ask, did Tesla sell you the car that you chose at the price that you and Tesla agreed upon? If so, you were not hoodwinked.

    Did you buy the car solely to resell it at the highest value possible in the near future? If so, your timing was unfortunate. But again, not hoodwinked.

    I'm afraid I can't answer the question about returning the S60. Perhaps someone else has more information about immediate, post-sale returns.

    I can understand that it's a bit disheartening to find one's expensive purchase superseded by something better, stronger, faster so soon. Much the same as with any other expensive, high-tech gadget. Those feelings are understandable. Saying you were hoodwinked seems, to me, quite inaccurate.
  5. Zythryn

    Zythryn M3 Silver, M3 Midnight Silver

    Mar 18, 2009
    Read your sales agreement.
    In Minnesota there is typically, as I recall, a three day grace period where you can return the car.
    However, this is going off memory, so please read your sales agreement for a definitive answer.

    Anyone is disappointed when a new something comes out right after they bought the old version. I feel for you, however you have the car you wanted, and ordered, and it is a beautiful car at that!
  6. yobigd20

    yobigd20 Well-Known Member

    Oct 28, 2012
    Skaneateles, NY
    I thought they had like a 30 day guarantee now or something and you can return it for full value. or am I just making up crap?

    edit: they do have a happiness guarantee, but it's only for leasers.
  7. stopcrazypp

    stopcrazypp Well-Known Member

    Dec 8, 2007
    Contact your rep ASAP and go through your documents to see if you have any grace period. I know in previous cases of buyers remorse, the person had to eat the cost of depreciation after negotiating with Tesla, although it may have been over a longer time than just 2 days.

    I think the issue is once the car is in your hands, it can't be sold as a new car anymore.
  8. hingisfan

    hingisfan hingisfan_Mark_V

    Oct 19, 2013
    Kingston, Ontario
    tough luck....I bought an inventory 60 two months ago and would be upset if I paid full pop with the 70D now available. Luckily I got a killer deal so it would have been 17k more for a new 70D, so I'm not upset.
  9. bonnie

    bonnie Oil is for sissies.

    Feb 6, 2011
    Columbia River Gorge
    Timing is unfortunate, but 'hoodwinked' seems to imply they gave you something other than what you purchased. It doesn't sound like that's the case.

    How long ago did you place your order? Sales people wouldn't have known about the 70kWh battery until recently. The car you ordered would have entered production long before this.

    I'm sorry that you're not fully enjoying this new purchase - timing is unfortunate. But I don't think anyone set out to hoodwink you ...
  10. cmu5p

    cmu5p Member

    Feb 3, 2015
    Shenandoah Valley, VA
    I feel your pain- took delivery less than 3 weeks ago and I knew the next best thing would come along, just didn't think it'd be this soon. I even emailed my DS yesterday about trading up and will hopefully have price offer from the CPO program just to see, but then, I got back in my car and realized I am happy with what I have. Some small idiosyncrasies with the new order setup too, and I wouldn't want to lose my power lift gate.

    Tesla is too classy to hoodwink us, in fact, I think they love me more than my kids do (but not more than my dog). You've got an incredible machine- there's nothing "standard" about it.
  11. mknox

    mknox Well-Known Member

    Aug 7, 2012
    Toronto, ON
    I think this is an artifact of Tesla's model of continuous improvement/updates as opposed to the classic "model year" style of making changes and improvements. When you buy a 2014 car, you naturally expect that the 2015's may have better features or options available. Not so with the Tesla way of doing things. This sentiment has been expressed many times here over the years.
  12. SabrToothSqrl

    SabrToothSqrl Active Member

    Dec 5, 2014
    I'm also looking at the 70D. It offers AWD, auto pilot, and only gives up 25 miles of range from my S85.

    The choice between the 60 and 85, for me was logical at the only $8k difference, performance, and range offered. (10k minus 2k super charging)

    the 70D to 85D is a $10k jump for 100 more HP and 35 more miles.... which to me? I'll keep my 10k! Especially considering the 70D is quicker to 60 than my S85 anyway!

    Am I aggravated that my S85 may now be worth less money on trade to the X I want? Sure.

    But I bought a car, for a price, and that's what I got. It's not possible to stop progress, and Tesla doesn't have the time to wait for model years. Even if they did... my 09 Tahoe doesn't have a heated steering wheel, but the 2010 does. Should I be mad at GM? I'm mad at them for building crap cars, but cars change...

    The 70D, seems to me the best bang for your $. I'm in a similar budget tight car buying position. The Tesla really stretched my funds, but I love cars and I love tech. Combining them means a high rate of evolution... and possibly depreciation.

    All I know is, I love the way my S85 rides, and with my CPO warranty I have zero fears of using that go pedal :)
  13. Nigel16494

    Nigel16494 Member

    Nov 22, 2014
    I know Tesla is moving fast. My S 85 (delivered Sept 30) has autopilot hardware (I got lucky) but no all wheel drive. I took out the Tradein Tesla price guarantee to try and protect myself. The resale value is guaranteed and I know the limit of what my car will be worth. I am assuming they still have the buy back at a fixed price deal.

    Since I ordered and received it, you can now get all wheel drive, black headliners, autopilot , multiple software updates and now the 70. I never saw a company move so fast
  14. Electricfan

    Electricfan Active Member

    Aug 24, 2013
    You have autopilot. There are literally tens of thousands of us who would kill for your car (who have version 1.0 Model Ss without the hardware). Count your blessings.
  15. N8DGR8

    N8DGR8 Member

    Jan 14, 2015
    Seattle, WA

    I took delivery of our 60 2 weeks ago. My requested delivery date was the end of May. For some "unknown" reason, the delivery was moved up to March. I'm a little frustrated that they didn't call me and offer me the option to swap in the 70D for the extra $1k. Even if they had, I'm not sure I would have taken it. If they refunded my $2k for supercharging, I would be a very happy camper;)

    Reasons I'm satisfied with my 60:
    -The Washington State EV Sales Tax credit is rumored to be completely dead ("heard from two different unreliable sources"). Getting the 70D by July 1 might be dicey.
    -I have a proven and tested battery pack, I don't have to worry about being a beta user of a new battery configuration.
    -I have a proven and tested motor, I don't have to worry about being an early adopter of new motor technology.
    -In my opinion, it is always good to have 2-3 years of proven car technology before you adopt.
    -The D "frunk" is tiny.
    -The 70 is heavier than the 60, using more electricity.
    -I don't drive in the snow very often, and when I do it is really serious snow in the mountains. I'm not sure I'm ready to switch from gas to electric for that task. Seattle snow creates crazy drivers, I would be terrified to take my beautiful new car out on snowy roads around the house.

    My biggest complaint:
    I love our new Tessla "Tessa" so much more than I expected that I wish I could take it more places. It goes 90% of the places we want to go, our SUV is just so boring for that last 10%. When we bought the car it was $8k to fill in the last 7% of places, I couldn't justify the cost. I figured if I invested the $8k I could by a new car sooner when the technology will be even better.
  16. JohnQ

    JohnQ Active Member

    Jan 1, 2012
    Redding, CT
    There's no grace period on a new car in Minnesota, the 3 day "cooling off" period applies to door to door solicitations. The only recourse is goodwill from Tesla or Lemon Law if there's a defect.
  17. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Well-Known Member

    Jul 12, 2012
    And watch your back. :p

    Dear world. Tesla will introduce changes without notice. They do that so they can improve rapidly without having large losses in value of inventory of parts and cars. Do not believe any employee that ever tells you otherwise. Do not believe any employee that tells you no improvements are coming. Before committing to a purchase, ask yourself whether you will be comfortable if a major improvement comes shortly after you commit. If you aren't, ask yourself whether you are comfortable waiting an additional am day for a Tesla. If you are, don't commit. If you aren't compare your discomfort and choose the lesser of the two.
  18. markb1

    markb1 Active Member

    Feb 17, 2012
    San Diego, CA
    Note with the 3-month guarantee, you are still out everything you've paid until the time your return it.
  19. eco5280

    eco5280 Member

    Mar 27, 2014
    Isn't the 70D $5k more than the S60? I thought it was basically the same price as the never-actually-released 60D, which was $5k more than the S60.

    I'd ordered a Brown 60D and had to upgrade to an Grey 85D when they dumped it. Now they've basically put the exact car I ordered back into production at the price I ordered for, but with 10 more kW in the tank. Ce La Vie. I friggin' love driving my car. The extra $10k came out of my kid's college funds anyhow.
  20. CatB

    CatB Member

    Mar 2, 2013
    ^^This, and learn to be smugly content with your now-classic-limited-edition (whether it be classic dolphin gray, brown, green, P85 or P85+) ... and then console yourself that you have about 2 years to get used to this continuous innovation thing before you plop down a deposit on that Signature Model 3 ;-)

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