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How does autopilot work when car is dirty?

Discussion in 'Model S' started by Navyguy, Nov 10, 2015.

  1. Navyguy

    Navyguy Dreamer

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    Click bait I know.


    BUT has anyone here noticed a problem with autopilot if their cars got a little two dirty. maybe if in a an area that is snowing right now did you see problems when your car was covered? etc I know it uses cameras and sensors so what if they are clogged or covered by dirt / snow etc?


    obv you would need to clean your car better but winter that may be a bit less fun.
     
  2. vitaliy

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    Tesla is still a lot of fun without autopilot. And I'm pretty sure they have tested for dirt/snow, etc.
     
  3. yobigd20

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    I'm pretty sure autopilot won't work in bad weather in the same way that you can't use TACC in bad weather and/or dirty (mud/snow) covered.
     
  4. bonnie

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    #4 bonnie, Nov 10, 2015
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    Then it doesn't work & you cannot run in autopilot mode. So if you have an accident, it's because of your driving.

    And click-bait titles are uncool.

    Edit: Thanks, mods, for fixing the title!
     
  5. malcolm

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    You should be an online auto journalist, or write for ShortingTesla/SeekingAlpha :biggrin:

    I suspect that if the sensors are blocked you just get a message like: "Autopilot is not available at this time"

    Dull but safe.

    But I guess that won't stop some YouTubers posting "Watch me hoover the inside of my moving Tesla while the Autopilot glitches"
     
  6. BertL

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    There are all sort of warnings and repeated limitations in the Tesla manual about dirty and damaged sensors in each section describing every capability, including poor visibility such as heavy rain, snow, fog possibly causing the driver assistance functions from operating properly.

    This is the case with autopilot-specific capabilities, as well as more basic capabilities like parking (ultrasonic) sensors that may not operate properly if they are covered in mud, ice, snow, or whatever. I've read examples in other threads where warnings came up on the IC disabling some automation for a driver for various reasons. I hypothesize this would also happen if MS decides one or more sensors are not operating properly, but I doubt any vehicle has a method to be 100% accurate in that regard since there isn't complete redundancy in sensor coverage. I still consider it the driver's responsibility to check their vehicle and make some logical decisions for themselves -- no different than pilots do with visual inspection before takeoff of their aircraft that is even more complex and has even more parts hidden from view than a MS. ...and while I too like "fun", if I were in inclement environments as I have been in the past, I would NEVER allow my vehicle's beta software and early hardware assist capabilities to be in 100% control. I'll trust myself first, save autopilot fun for another day, and let other crazy people take their chances to make YouTube videos of their experience that ruin it for the rest of us.

    FWIW: My former BMW, MBZ, and Lexus all had similar warnings about advanced capabilities that may not operate properly if their sensors were damaged or were prevented from doing what they were designed to do because of mud, caked-on ice, etc -- including their parking sensors, side collision warning, lane keeping assist, TACC equivalents, etc functions that I enjoyed. I know for a fact things like Radar Cruise Control did have problems in very heavy rain and sleet conditions that starting impacting the front of my former SUV and another time my roadster, with no indication it was failing either time. Both times, I turned cruise control off and went back to manual control, just as I would in my Tesla.
     
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    Similar question: how does AP knows when it's sensor are dirty/malfunctioning? When ones glasses are dirty person knows because things don't look as expected but how does AI figure out what is real?
     
  8. mikeash

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    Why don't you test it? Tape a piece of paper over the camera and see what the car does.

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    Probably the same way the computer figures out which parts of the image are road and which parts are sky/curb/dirt/cows. Which is to say, a huge neural network trained from a ton of data and working in ways that even the creators of it don't understand.
     
  9. Max*

    Max* Autopilot != Autonomous

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    You guys are funny if you think a little dust on the windshield on top of the front element of the camera will cause problems: LensRentals.com - Front Element Scratches

    You need a lot of dirt, snow, fog, etc. to mess up the camera's visibility to become unusable.


    Seconds, if the radar is obstructed, the car will tell you. I've had TACC turn off when it thought the radar was obstructed.
     
  10. Todd Burch

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    My TACC works fine even in moderate to heavy rain. Only the strongest of rainshowers (under thunderstorms for instance) does it disable.

    I used Autosteer yesterday in moderate rain and it was fine. You do notice that the recognition of the lines as portrayed on the console don't go out as far as on a clear day, but it was still holding the lane fine.

    Disclaimer: I was extra cautious using Autosteer in rain :).
     
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    I was using AP all the way home yesterday. In the evening it drove off on its own to find a car wash. Apparently AP cars don't like to be dirty.
     
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    It truly is learning and on 11/10/2015 at 9:48am it became self aware :scared:
     
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    I pushed the "Clean Mode" button, and this popped out of my frunk and went to work on the AP sensors:

    I thought it was neat. Does yours not do that?


    rosie-the-robot.jpg
     
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    When we started seriously shopping Teslas, we went to the local gallery and checked out a car with the rear-facing seats to see what they actually looked like. The touchscreen had been left in Clean Mode. My wife said, "wow, it cleans the screen by itself!"
     

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