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And you wonder why some TM employees consider this a fairly hostile forum?
These issues have been beat to death in other threads and not EVERY thread needs to revisit all the same questions.
Yes, it is an independent forum and therefore anybody can choose to (or choose not to) be active in it. However, if every time somebody asks a question about something like the production schedule you choose to take it as an opportunity to slam TM and bring up the issue(s) with Martin, then people will just stop frequenting the forum because the signal to noise ratio sucks. These issues have been beat to death in other threads and not EVERY thread needs to revisit all the same questions.
You seem to take TM actions very personally for reasons that I don't understand. A quick perusal of your posts (359!) shows an unhealthy hositility. Other than Martin himself and a few other folks, why would somebody bother with all the angst towards TM? If you don't like what the company does, don't buy their products and certainly don't spend as much time as you do reading forums dedicated to them!
No big deal, I'll drop it now. I (like most of their early customers) have been satisfied with the communications from the company. Sure it was more transparent under Martin and there is more caution in what they say now. Then again, a lot of the current PR questions are due to all of that early communication that made promises that TM was unable to keep.
It's a frigging startup company. Schedules slip, things change, deliveries are hard.
-Jon
The probably the only non-owner accessible link avaliable now on recent production status is this link from June 19, 2008 which says #5 is about to be delivered and #15 is in production:Founder Series produced? Signature 100 in progress? Or still at car Nr. 4? :biggrin:
Jon,
It's not a car, it's the rebirth of a movement.
...We may not be customers now but there are future cars that need to come out to help change the paradigm.
...
Even constructive criticism can hurt one side to lash out or ignore the other.
How many "Clubs" are there for makers of chairs or toothbrushes...
[*]US economic downturn in progress. (quick, sell in Europe!)
Fortunately for Tesla, none of their problems are unfixable.
If most of these things (especially the big ones like Martin's car and the delivery backlog) are resolved, I think the hostility toward the company will fade away.
-Ryan
but... what?I don't think hostility is the right word per se. Most people here constructively criticize, short of Chris H--hate to call you out, but...