The hard wired Wall Connector does not use a neutral conductor. The 6-50 seems to be all you need.
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Interesting-- that must have just appeared again this month. People have been asking for it ever since it was discontinued.
SSonnentag
埃隆•馬斯克
My Kill-A-Watt meter reports our voltage ranging between 112V and 124V over the past three weeks.
I got by on a 110v plug with my Leaf for 6 years. I think most people could get by with that even in a Tesla. You have huge reserve in a Tesla in case you happen to take a long trip one day. Unless you're going more than 50 miles per day average, 110 works.
Garlan Garner
Banned
I charged my P3D+ over the entire Thanksgiving holiday on 110v. Average charge rate was 2-3mph.
2-3mph uninterrupted for over 2 days.
2-3mph uninterrupted for over 2 days.
Nebuchadn3zzar
Member
I charge almost exclusively on 120 V at work to avoid contributing to the competition for our two J1772 plugs.
I started out with the included NEMA 5-15 adapter, then shortly bought a NEMA 5-20 adapter from Tesla once I noticed that the outlet had a T-shaped receptacle, to increase the power delivered by 33%. My observations:
At 16 amps, I replenish 60 miles over a 10-hour work day, which covers my 20-mile round-trip commute, plus an additional 40 miles.
I started out with the included NEMA 5-15 adapter, then shortly bought a NEMA 5-20 adapter from Tesla once I noticed that the outlet had a T-shaped receptacle, to increase the power delivered by 33%. My observations:
- NEMA 5-15 (120 V at 12 A): 1,440 W = 4~5 mph indicated, 4 mph actual
- NEMA 5-20 (120 V at 16 A): 1,920 W = 6~7 mph indicated, 6 mph actual
At 16 amps, I replenish 60 miles over a 10-hour work day, which covers my 20-mile round-trip commute, plus an additional 40 miles.
Nebuchadn3zzar
Member
Forgot to mention:
Above numbers are at moderate California temperatures, between 50°F and 85°F. Cabin overheat protection set to "no A/C".
Above numbers are at moderate California temperatures, between 50°F and 85°F. Cabin overheat protection set to "no A/C".
SageBrush
REJECT Fascism
Losses are presumably fairly close between these two so I'd expect the 5-20 to be 16/12 = 1.33x faster than 5-15.
No, it was documented here several years ago with the Model S that 16A charging is 42% faster than 12A, because once the overhead of charging is covered, all additional amps go to the battery. Model 3 should be similar.
SageBrush
REJECT Fascism
There must be some truth to what you say since certainly some of the losses are a fixed amount per time but the ~ 10 - 12% losses we see at 7 kW (240v * 32A) charging implies a substantial loss component that is a fraction of the charge rate. I don't think it is explained by i^2 losses
DanL3
Member
With nothing on in the car, I get 5mph on the 5-15 120v connector. in my garage.
In the spring I plan a road trip across North Dakota. No Superchargers!. So the plan is to use Plugshare to find 240v locations where possible. Mostly, motels have 120v in the parking lot for ICE block heaters, but few have 240v. I plan to check into the Motel then go to a KOA or other RV park to get most of my charge, and walk back to the motel for the evening. When I have enough charge to get to my next destination. I will walk back and get the car. I will then park it at the motel and plug it into 120v for the rest of the night.
I do plan to get a 15-20 and hope to get 7mph with that. 7mph for a 16hr night is well over 100 miles.
In the spring I plan a road trip across North Dakota. No Superchargers!. So the plan is to use Plugshare to find 240v locations where possible. Mostly, motels have 120v in the parking lot for ICE block heaters, but few have 240v. I plan to check into the Motel then go to a KOA or other RV park to get most of my charge, and walk back to the motel for the evening. When I have enough charge to get to my next destination. I will walk back and get the car. I will then park it at the motel and plug it into 120v for the rest of the night.
I do plan to get a 15-20 and hope to get 7mph with that. 7mph for a 16hr night is well over 100 miles.
CapnOMatic
Member
FYI
The mobile connector with a 110 outlet should change at around 4 miles per hour. I have done that a few times.
Do you get that on consistent basis? If you are sitting in the car with air running, then most of the power will go to HVAC. See what you gain over a 10-hour charge period. Is it 20 miles? 60 miles? This would be a more accurate estimate.
I did not charge it, just plugged to a 120V outlet to see that I would get and the car was showing 1KW - 2 miles per hour. The HVAC was off though. I can charge at home with 240V - 30AMP so I'm fine but I will be using a 120V outlet tomorrow in Santa Monica at my friend's house.
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