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Oh please don't get me started on "Elon quotes" 2019: Can Elon Musk's robotaxi plan help Tesla owners make $30,000 a year?For you, @InternetDude.
“From our standpoint, if you fast forward a year – maybe a year and three months, but next year for sure – we’ll have over a million robotaxis on the road,”
Seems a bit gimmicky, honestly the whole V2G scenario is as far as I'm concerned. You're going to need a transfer switch, a sub-panel with whatever breakers you want to power in the event of the outage and likely an inverter unless the vehicle charger provides that function. All that for 40A (2-pole) peak capacity, so you're not going to be running your whole house, maybe HVAC, hot water and key appliances. Meanwhile, you're putting miles on your battery and you're draining range you may need if the outage lasts long enough that you have to leave. If anything, the on-board power outlets would be an easier solution to power the fridge and a space heater/fan. Two common objections to EVs are battery degradation and fear of being stranded in a power outage and this just exacerbates both.Owners have already been paying thousands of dollars for installing a Tesla HPWC so if it costs a few thousand for Sunrun to do the same but with the additional feature of powering the house from the Ford truck then it's quite reasonable.
Some people just don't want to pay for solar, and Tesla doesn't allow Powerwall without solar, so Ford/Sunrun is a perfect niche for the next Texas blackout.
FYI the Elon sez claim was 500k cars in 2018, not 2020. Tesla puts pedal to the metal, 500,000 cars planned in 2018And yes, Elon has been “optimistic” on several occasions like FSD and Model S/X rollout. But at the same time was quite accurate on the 500k vehicles by 2020 which was stated several years before. And the model Y rollout was good.
Agreed. It's cheaper and easier just to plug into the existing 10 120V 20A outlets or 1 240V outlet from the Lightning truck....If anything, the on-board power outlets would be an easier solution to power the fridge and a space heater/fan...
That's no different than those who bought 1 Tesla powerwall that has only about 13.9 kWh while Ford can power 30 kWh for 3 days or a total of 90 kWh. Longer if the residence rations the kWh usage....You're going to need a transfer switch, a sub-panel with whatever breakers you want to power in the event of the outage and likely an inverter unless the vehicle charger provides that function. All that for 40A (2-pole) peak capacity, so you're not going to be running your whole house, maybe HVAC, hot water and key appliances...
Yes. It's wears and tears so the warranty is important. Ford has not specified how long owners can abuse it for multipurpose to the maximum....Meanwhile, you're putting miles on your battery...
An owner just needs to prioritize what's more important. Ford promises to automate the app so the driver can specify the minimum reserved level so that the car won't deplete the use for the house prior to a trip such as a 50-mile trip......and you're draining range you may need if the outage lasts long enough that you have to leave...
We'll need to see what's the Ford warranty will be to make an informed decision on its wear and tear.Two common objections to EVs are battery degradation
That can happen and at least, 151 people did die in the Texas power outage....fear of being stranded in a power outage...
Owners have already been paying thousands of dollars for installing a Tesla HPWC so if it costs a few thousand for Sunrun to do the same but with the additional feature of powering the house from the Ford truck then it's quite reasonable.
He was also quoted in the articleFYI the Elon sez claim was 500k cars in 2018, not 2020. Tesla puts pedal to the metal, 500,000 cars planned in 2018
That looks to be coming true late this year, at least as a run rate.Musk also said a 2020 volume target was close to 1 million vehicles.
I couldn’t tell who was annoyed more.. Me at the salesman for his basic salesman type attitude and lack of understanding or him at me for being annoyed that he even called me to update me on the Bronco. Lol.This makes me really glad that I did NOT make a reservation. I find traditional auto salesmen to be very annoying.
If the reservation would lock in a price then I might have been more tempted. It will be interesting to see how many $ get added into "market adjustments" next year when the trucks start hitting the dealer lots.
By the way my opinion is that anything vehicle with a gas engine is trash, not just the Bronco.
Could you just install a back up generator to solve this issue? The you could use your Tesla to travel to safety if needed?I am in the process of installing PV at my home with a SunnyBoy SMA inverter that has a 2 kW AC output I can use if the grid goes down but the PV array is generating. If that type of functionality ever became common, I can imagine a 3rd party product that has a J1772 on one end and a connection to either a gateway or the inverter itself. The PV array could feed the car battery, or the car battery could feed the house when the PV is inadequate.
...battery degradation...
Could you just install a back up generator to solve this issue?
I'm assuming they're only going to allow the configuration to work with a transfer switch, rather than grid tied. So, you're limiting the excess wear on the battery to outages and not the constant daily cycle of charging and discharging with solar or TOU metering. One means the occasional additional wear of ~200mi on the battery during an outage vs. the potential equivalent of 1,000s of miles of additional wear per month as you charge and discharge daily. I wouldn't be surprised to find some verbiage in the warranty that equates Intelligent Backup Power usage to some number of miles per kWh. I'm sure there will be somebody that finds a way to grid tie it and puts the equivalent of 80k mi on the battery every year and I can't imagine the warranty being honored in that situation.Its battery warranty:
"Electric Vehicle Component Coverage: 8 years or 100,00 miles (whichever occurs first), with retention of 70% or more of the original High Voltage Battery capacity over that period"
I think that's fair especially for the multi-purpose usage as a car battery as well as a house battery.
Ford already thought about "arbitrage": to use its truck's battery for utility consumers to "buy low, sell high":...TOU metering...
Is that what you want? A new ICE ?Sure. I could also buy an ICE instead of an EV
Is that what you want? A new ICE ?
Interesting, certainly no reason it couldn't, other than I would expect them to need to revise any battery warranties to account for the excess wear. I'm not sold on the practicality though, since those buying it as a work vehicle are more likely to be out working with the vehicle rather than having it adorn their garage.Ford already thought about "arbitrage": to use its truck's battery for utility consumers to "buy low, sell high":