Here in socal ( well for me ) SC rates are basically the same as home rates. Even not peak hour rate is around .20 cents per kw. So if i would charge my M3P 0-100, it will be about 15$ if I can even charge during off peak hours. A SC will run me 22.4. Gas i. socal for premium is about 3.30. Before the oil wars, it was around 4.10-4.30 . I used to drive a 2016 Miata with a 11 gallon tank. It would cost me around 40$ (you don't actually get the whole 11 due to air space) which gave me about 300 miles. So I'm saving roughly 25$ a week.
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How much does gas have to be to match Model 3?
- Thread starter JetFalcon
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Yeah, I'm happy I don't have to be a sitting duck at a gas station in the ghetto. If you don't get robbed, you just have to say no to a super aggressive pan handler.
And starting out near full is like the idea of never going to a gas station. Not being required to stop at a gas station saves so much time in the long run, that I am fine having to supercharge on longer trips because they don't have very frequently, i would say I had to supercharge only 2-3 times in a year to make it home. I live in OC so its usually like going to Santa Barbara or San Diego for a day trip.
RayK
Active Member
Here's what I think are my worst-case figures. Given that I charge at a local Supercharger that has a rate of $0.28 / kWh, my last charge (to 100%) added 70 miles of range and cost me $5.60. This works out to 285Wh/mi (5.60 / 0.28 = 20kWh; 20000Wh / 70 miles = 285.71Wh/mi), which is more than what I see on my lifetime odometer so that's what leads me to believe it's above normal:
That last charge effectively cost me $0.08 / mile ($5.60 / 70 miles). My previous ride, a 2000 BMW 323i, got about 25 miles per gallon combined city-highway driving; pretty much the same type of driving I did before this charge. In order for me to get $0.08 / mi from the Bimmer, gas would have to be $2.00 / gal (25mpg * $0.08). That's not going to happen around these parts for some time, but the current COVID-19 situation could make a liar out of me.
I was in Kissimmee, Florida a couple of weeks ago and regular was $2.19 (87 octane, ethanol blend I think), so there I'd be about even if I was using regular. BMW recommended using 91 octane and that was $2.69 in FL; these prices I'm quoting were at a Wawa. I'm not exactly sure what the local gas prices are nowdays, so I just went on Gasbuddy.com and it lists $2.99 for regular and $3.27 for supreme as the lowest prices in my area.
That last charge effectively cost me $0.08 / mile ($5.60 / 70 miles). My previous ride, a 2000 BMW 323i, got about 25 miles per gallon combined city-highway driving; pretty much the same type of driving I did before this charge. In order for me to get $0.08 / mi from the Bimmer, gas would have to be $2.00 / gal (25mpg * $0.08). That's not going to happen around these parts for some time, but the current COVID-19 situation could make a liar out of me.
I was in Kissimmee, Florida a couple of weeks ago and regular was $2.19 (87 octane, ethanol blend I think), so there I'd be about even if I was using regular. BMW recommended using 91 octane and that was $2.69 in FL; these prices I'm quoting were at a Wawa. I'm not exactly sure what the local gas prices are nowdays, so I just went on Gasbuddy.com and it lists $2.99 for regular and $3.27 for supreme as the lowest prices in my area.
My Model 3 has a lifetime kWh of 262 Wh/mi and I pay $0.12 per kWh at home, so that’s roughly $0.03 per mile. My wife’s Jeep probably gets around 25mpg and the cheapest gas I’ve seen in my town recently is $2.09 a gallon, so that’s roughly $0.08 per mile. Gas would have to approach $0.80 a gallon for her Jeep to match my 3 in fuel costs.
I like your calculation but you missed charging losses which is the same for everyone and you can't get around.
Optimistically say 90% efficient. So that brings you back to around 75kWh to get 90% of the battery.
That moves your number of $17.55 to $19.50
BTW, Most people that say they pay $0.07/kWh don't know how to read their electric bill.
This doesn't include phantom drain either.
I love when folks compare a mid size sedan to a Jeep.
Most mid-size sedans are in their high 30's and Hybrids are in their 50's.
If your model 3 displays 262 Wh/mi then you are paying ~288 Wh/mi to charge it.
the same phenomenon that causes people compare their 60k Model 3 to a Chevrolet Sonic rental. ("that car was so bad and slow and etc etc etc ill never buy ICE again wah wah")
Would you prefer me to compare it to the Mustang I had previously that only got 22mpg?
SSonnentag
埃隆•馬斯克
I compare my Model S to my previous Camaro SS. The Camaro averaged 16 mpg and had less acceleration. It did sound great though, if loud pipes is your thing. The Camaro was faster too since I had it up to 163 mph once. I don't think I've gone over 135 mph in the S. Top speed is only for bragging rights though.
FYI - I got my 2012 Prius up to 113 mph ... eventually ... on a slight downhill section of road. It started smelling really hot though, and felt very sketchy.
The Camaro was faster too since I had it up to 163 mph once. I don't think I've gone over 135 mph in the S. Top speed is only for bragging rights though.FYI - I got my 2012 Prius up to 113 mph ... eventually ... on a slight downhill section of road. It started smelling really hot though, and felt very sketchy.
austinmichaeld
Member
Here in central texas and im sure many places, we have the option for free overnight usage of electricity, which benefits the grid. so gas would have to be free and still the cost of maintenance and service would still make the tesla a better economic purchase, given I drive 80 miles a day for my commute. never going back
Not all of us
Home costs range from $0.24 - $0.28 cents here, Supercharger rates are basically the same for me.
What part of California are you located in? I'm in San Diego and SDG&E offers a program for ev owners @ $.09 kWh if you charge after midnight + ($18 monthly fee. did the math still much cheaper then $.31 supercharger I use)
PG&E in the the bay area/northern California offers a similar program (where I'm from, family still lives there). And from my research, most if not all power companies offer this. You should look into it.
SalisburySam
Active Member
One way to find your cost per kWh is to take the bottom number, the one you write the check for, and divide it by the number of kWh used. Very simple and is the actual cost to you including tax, fees, bonds, fuel charges, coal ash deposit cleanup fees, bonus money for the CEO, payoffs to the public utilities commissioners, etc., whatever they can add. The number shown as their kWh cost has little meaning to the end consumer.
