Ketchups
Member
I just leave the key in my pocket with the iphone - immediately disables access to the car.
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Would keeping the fob in a shielded enclosure not prevent this vulnerability?
This is what we use for our fob:
https://www.amazon.com/MONOJOY-Bloc...&qid=1537046416&sr=8-2-fkmr0&ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2
This is what we use for our fob:
https://www.amazon.com/MONOJOY-Bloc...&qid=1537046416&sr=8-2-fkmr0&ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2
TaoJones
Beyond Driven
The PIN to drive kludge is a pita if you use valet mode (and you should as it locks/keeps locked the glovebox and frunk which PtD does *not* do).
Now, to use valet mode, you have to select it from the drop down and then re-enter your PIN to enable it. Seriously?
The new fobs should be available for free to those who ask for them. The issue has been resolved evidently since May, so why we’re only now hearing about it (as a mass communication) is another mystery.
So my car was 14 months old at that point. I don’t think another $300 to fix a SECURITY AND THEFT problem is a fee I should have to pay - and selling the car with the now compromised fobs is another problem.
This one’s on Tesla. Looks like another missive to Executive Escalation.
Now, to use valet mode, you have to select it from the drop down and then re-enter your PIN to enable it. Seriously?
The new fobs should be available for free to those who ask for them. The issue has been resolved evidently since May, so why we’re only now hearing about it (as a mass communication) is another mystery.
So my car was 14 months old at that point. I don’t think another $300 to fix a SECURITY AND THEFT problem is a fee I should have to pay - and selling the car with the now compromised fobs is another problem.
This one’s on Tesla. Looks like another missive to Executive Escalation.
whitex
Well-Known Member
I disagree. It's about doing it stealthy. Breaking windows makes it clear you are doing something wrong. Walking up to a car in a parking lot and grabbing things after unlocking does not. By your logic, I could just tow the Model S to steel it, no keyfob can protect against that.
The worst scenario is one I actually have seen twice recently. A car is parked on a driveway unlocked. Thief arrives ~2am, drives up to it, calmly loads stuff from your car into theirs. When done, they hit the garage door opener. Garage opens, the thief drives away. The thief drives by again 2 hours later (4am), if the garage is still open, he parks on the driveway, empties your garage into his car and leaves. My neighbor got hit this way last year, I provided the police with surveillance videos since mine caught the whole thing in action. Almost identical MO happened at my in-law's, their neighbor got hit (I also helped extricate the surveillance videos from their cameras). The interesting thing, the thief first walked the street looking for unlocked cars, so obviously not willing to shatter windows but will rob you blind if can unlock the car.
Does it count as recovered if it broke apart at high speed and the battery was destroyed in a long-burning fire?Apparently you don't need it in the US because thieves in US are not smart enough to steal Tesla's and not get caught. May want it in Europe though.
Stolen Tesla vehicles in the US have almost all been recovered: 112 out of 115
Tesla replaced for free the key fobs for our 2012 S P85 several times under warranty. At least for the early S key fobs, the cover over the fob's roof button would crack over time and fall off, exposing the button. Under normal use, the key fobs should work, at least for the standard warranty.
The issue with the key fob security isn't as straightforward. Tesla will likely believe that the Pin-to-drive feature provides an adequate solution to the security risk, and decide not to provide the new key fobs for free.
A few years ago, Tesla would likely have provided the replacements for free. But now that the number of vehicles is pretty large, and they are trying to achieve profitability, seems less likely they would spend this $$$, especially since it would likely stop the theft of only a very small number of vehicles - and the PIN feature should do the same thing, without having to give away a lot of new key fobs.
The issue with the key fob security isn't as straightforward. Tesla will likely believe that the Pin-to-drive feature provides an adequate solution to the security risk, and decide not to provide the new key fobs for free.
A few years ago, Tesla would likely have provided the replacements for free. But now that the number of vehicles is pretty large, and they are trying to achieve profitability, seems less likely they would spend this $$$, especially since it would likely stop the theft of only a very small number of vehicles - and the PIN feature should do the same thing, without having to give away a lot of new key fobs.
mbhforum
Active Member
I was quoted $150 per fob from my SC. My initial reaction was anger as I figured this was the equivalent of Microsoft charging for a zero day software patch for Windows, but then after reading this thread, Tesla did offer a software solution for free to address the vulnerability (albeit it as a major inconvenience to it’s customers). They also are trying to become profitable and not tie up their Service Centers with free recalls and for those that elect, they will offset the expense. I don’t agree with the approach, but I understand the approach.
JohnnyG
Weee!
They don't actually replace the fob in this situation. They open it up and only replace the case.
.jg.
Member
If someone has cloned a fob for your car, "Pin to Drive" only presents an additional barrier to them driving off - it doesn't stop them gaining entry to the cabin, the trunk and the frunk. That's pretty poor for what is supposed to be one of the world's most advanced cars. Unless Tesla specified a 40 bit cipher for the fobs, I reckon Pektron should provide replacement fobs free of charge - or at least, for the cost of the hardware, which can't be more than $20.
mmmk
Member
I'm a bit bent out of shape on this also. I got a message after appealing to support that it will be $300-$350 for 2 fobs.
'pin to drive' as a fix is not a fix. If I'm transporting firearms it's no joke if someone can clone my key and achieve entry.
I presented this case specifically for executive consideration so hopefully they'll notice this is a real security issue.
'pin to drive' as a fix is not a fix. If I'm transporting firearms it's no joke if someone can clone my key and achieve entry.
I presented this case specifically for executive consideration so hopefully they'll notice this is a real security issue.
For the early key fobs, they appeared to do complete replacements.
Perhaps things have changed with the later versions - and hopefully the design has been improved to prevent opening the sunroof on the key fobs...
It only prevents the vulnerability while it is in the shielded enclosure. If you take it out of the enclosure to drive your car the thief that is nearby can clone your fob in a couple seconds and then come back and steal your car at any time.
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