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This boggles my mind. Would you expect any other car company to pay for your fuel? The Model S and X are a significantly higher price point and had the price baked into the car. Why would anyone expect the same for a car half the price?Yeah, if they charge for SC I will end up taking the ICE on anything outside of my commute
Again, because anything that is considered "free" or "one flat rate, all-you-can-eat" is going to promote camping out at SC stations. It will be all about the traffic flow-through rate. For instance, I have a supercharger 17 miles from my house at the end of a 250 mile round-trip commute (for real) and it looks like I'm going to be 10 miles short of making it home. If I'm already "pre-paid" what am I going to do? Yep, I'm going to stop and drink up as many free electrons as possible, while I go in and read the paper at Starbucks. Now, if the rate were only slightly more expensive at the Supercharger than at home what would I do? I would stop for 5 minutes and get only what I need, get the rest at home. I've just reduced SuperCharger usage by 90% for the same miles driven, which means potentially nine other cars could have gotten in to the same stall during that time I didn't occupy it. Yes, this is just one type of example, but this is what I mean by personal incentives playing a key role in how the SC network can feed the masses. Also, I'm all up in EV etiquette, so I know how to get out of the way when someone else needs the plug. As this goes more mainstream, don't expect to see that kind of consideration as frequently. Oh, and for my example above, what if I was passing the SC station with 10 miles to spare in getting home, well if it's free I'm going to swing in and grab some free "gas", my personal use rate just went up infinity percent for that trip!Pricing
I'm not sure why. Obviously there will be users that travel more than others, and obviously there will be those who can't charge at home. However, this doesn't change the average mileage of the entire fleet. After buying your EV, you won't suddenly see a massive increase in the average mileage.
Therefore, I would think that providing unlimited* charging isn't that impossible nor expensive to offer.
* fair use policy / within reason
# charging points:
I'm also a firm believer that general demand will create an oppurtunity for companies/(and government) to fill in the gaps.
Some growth numbers for The Netherlands (you may need to Google Translate it - it's in Dutch):
Cijfers elektrisch vervoer | RVO.nl
I just voted and realized that I did so incorrectly. I voted as an MS owner and stated what I think Model ☰ owners SHOULD pay, not what I would want if I was actually a ☰ owner. Therefore, my contribution to the poll may have been a little flawed. First, TM confirmed to me in an email I received this morning that the ☰ will be "supercharger capable", therefore, it will not be free. I see no other way of interpreting that.
I would like to see ☰ owners:
- either pay per use, and make the cost affordable, but not ridiculously so that they avoid installing home charging.
- have a choice of either an annual fee or lifetime fee
PS: how does one write the "☰" character without copying and pasting from another source?
Exactly. I think Tesla will announce something similar at pt 2 of the unveilWhats wrong with $ per kWh? Blink switched to that model and it makes total sense:
1. You pay for what you actually get.
2. No incentive to camp on chargers.
3. No incentive to charge away from home.
Since Blink switched to that model, their SC station got a lot more useful to me. Now I use it for 10 minute booster charges if I know I can't get home. Since it costs more than my home $/kWh, I don't take more than I need.
Yeah, if they charge for SC I will end up taking the ICE on anything outside of my commute
I don't think paying for fuel has anything to do with it. I'll likely use my ICE car to avoid charging away from home, too.This boggles my mind. Would you expect any other car company to pay for your fuel? The Model S and X are a significantly higher price point and had the price baked into the car. Why would anyone expect the same for a car half the price?
You think the gas you put into your ICE will be a better deal than if you had to pay to supercharge?
I don't think paying for fuel has anything to do with it. I'll likely use my ICE car to avoid charging away from home, too.
It's about the availability of refueling and time. When driving my ICE car, if I close my eyes and coast to a stop, there's a good chance that I'm parked in front of a gas pump! In less than 10 minutes I'll be back on the road. Planning for and driving out of my way to locate a charging station and then spending a lot more time refueling just doesn't interest me.
The main buyers of 200+ mile range BEVs will be people who plan to almost always fill up at home.
Interesting points. We early adopters (I think even those buying the Model S now are still early adopters), have been funding much of the cost of building the SC network. By the time the Model ☰ becomes available, the majority of the SC network will be complete, and the cost to maintain and expand it will not be as much....So, IMHO, it will not cost as much as they had it cost with the S, it will cost $1000 forever (a comparable fee for the price of SC enabling of the ☰ compared to the S). My 2 cents.