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How optimistic are you feeling about FSD progress in 2021?

Discussion in 'Autopilot & Autonomous/FSD' started by shrineofchance, Feb 25, 2021.

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How optimistic are you feeling about FSD progress in 2021?

This poll will close on Mar 11, 2021 at 9:44 AM.
  1. Very pessimistic

  2. Somewhat pessimistic

  3. Neutral

  4. Somewhat optimistic

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  1. diplomat33

    diplomat33 Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps, but Tesla is ok with a driver assist that can "self-drive" but requires a driver to supervise. Waymo had a chance to do that but said no because of drivers not paying attention. So Waymo decided not to release anything that requires the customer to supervise the car. Waymo fully committed to only releasing a product to the public that is full driverless.

    We can debate that maybe Tesla's "FSD with driver supervision" is a better approach to achieve safety quicker. But it's a different approach to Waymo.
     
  2. diplomat33

    diplomat33 Well-Known Member

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    Apologies for the long posts. Let me just add that I think Waymo is also concerned about public perception of FSD. They know the public is wary of the new tech. They believe that if the general public gets a bad first impression of FSD then it could hurt the deployment of FSD. And if FSD is not able to be deployed because the public does not trust it, that will be counterproductive. So Waymo has been very intentional in their release of FSD. By limiting FSD to only the areas that they know the FSD can handle safely and smoothly, they can ensure that the public gets a very consistently safe, smooth and pleasant experience. This will increase trust in FSD which will help the public embrace FSD more.
     
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  3. Bladerskb

    Bladerskb Senior Software Engineer

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    Waymo handles construction.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfDrivingCars/comments/lx6g9t/waymo_vs_surprise_construction_zone_clip/

    This is a myth, Tesla on the other hand fails on the most basic and simplest scenarios.
     
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  4. powertoold

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    Bladerskb Senior Software Engineer

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    Tens of thousands of driverless rides for starters.

    But also things like this... There are people like you who actually believe these cars have no AI and are just a glorified train. To me that's delusional.

    JJ arbitrarily placed cones in a parking lot to see what would happen.
     
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  6. powertoold

    powertoold Active Member

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    Waymo obviously uses NNs. Lol? Once again, very troll.
     
  7. Bladerskb

    Bladerskb Senior Software Engineer

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    That's not what your comrades say and what your comments insinuate.
    In-fact here's a quote from ArkInvest about HD Maps right after Waymo announced it was going completely driverless publicly "Autonomous systems have existed for a long time, I could put a train on a set of tracks and run it without a driver. I've been able to do that for a long time"
     
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  8. powertoold

    powertoold Active Member

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    Sounds like a strawman. I've seen literally no one here say Waymo doesn't use NNs or "AI" in some way.
     
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  9. mars_or_bust

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    Oh come on, deep down you know Waymo is dead on arrival.

    All that work, all that PR, all that money, all those rotating lidars, and after all this time they can only barely manage a small geofenced area - and there they got completely beat by a general purpose FSD Tesla. Even worse, the only location a pick-up can be arranged is shown below in blue :)

    Scale-up chance: 0 on a scale from 1 to 11


    [​IMG]
     
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  10. Dan D.

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    Based on all the videos I've seen, I would ride in an autonomous Waymo in Phoenix or a Mobileye. I would not ride in an FSD Tesla with a non-attentive driver. The good FSD drivers like Chuck and Dirty Tesla are catching the disastrous mistakes of FSD Beta. I'm not even anti-Tesla, just pro-safety. FSD Beta is still driving directly at oncoming traffic. Not acceptable.
     
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  11. Dan D.

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    Based on all the videos I've seen, I would ride in an autonomous Waymo in Phoenix or a Mobileye. I would not ride in an FSD Tesla with a non-attentive driver. The good FSD drivers like Chuck and Dirty Tesla are catching the disastrous mistakes of FSD Beta. I'm not even anti-Tesla, just pro-safety. FSD Beta is still driving directly at oncoming traffic. Not acceptable.
     
  12. DanCar

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    Just what to point out what I feel is a little lie told by Waymo. Waymo is not available in the city of Phoenix. It is available in a subset of the city of Chandler, which is south east of Phoenix.
     
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  13. powertoold

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    Lol, autonomous Mobileye, good joke
     
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  14. Dan D.

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    Please explain what is so funny to the rest of the class.
     
  15. BeeGood

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    Well, sure, you’d ride a Waymo...in Phoenix.

    How do you think that same Waymo-enabled car is going to do driving you around in Dirty Tesla’s neck of the woods right now?

    At the risk of sounding like a broken record, these comparisons don’t work. Waymo picks where their autonomous driving happens. Tesla doesn’t.
     
  16. mars_or_bust

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    And the picking only occurs in a very small subset of the geofenced area - making Waymo effectively a glorified bus service.

    A bus would actually be better, as it also works during rain :D
     
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  17. Dan D.

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    Why can't I make a direct comparison to three products that I can't access from Vancouver? It's all theoretical to me. AFAIK Tesla isn't driving in FSD Beta here right now either. Maybe it could, but it isn't.

    I'm not going to travel to Venus, Mars or the Sun either but I would rather walk around on Mars as it could be done safer. Out of three semi-functioning models of autonomous driving in various forms of completion I state my preferences.
     
  18. BeeGood

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    I mean, you can make whatever comparisons you like. But you’re comparing two things that aren’t really comparable.

    If Tesla FSD only had to work in a handful of places, don’t you think it be a lot better right now?
     
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