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Huge Supercharger expansion planned in California in 2017 and beyond

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I wonder why will they start doing these supplemental solar charging Super Charger. That might become very useful in the middle of nowhere like inside Yosemite, Death Valley, Zion National Park, Grand Canyon, etc.,

I know there are SC outside of these area, but the fact to drive out and drive back in sometime that is an 80 miles loop and limit on what exactly you can do while inside these locations.
 
Interesting...look like they will have one near Sam Manuel Casino (given there is one by Morango and Pechanga now)...

Central San Fernando Valley still no love, only one in Northridge (not counting Sherman Oak and Burbank)

A lot of SC in the area of LAX (added to existing 3 in the surrounding area already)

One in downtown LA, Staple Center?

No love along the whole 60 freeway route from begin to end.

Anyone drove PCH on Model S 70 or 60 between San Luis Obispo and Monterey? How realistic is that route?

Barstow still showing coming soon, more in Barstow after the expansion?!

2018 is less than 3 months away, mightily a lot of 2017 date nowhere to be seen physically...
 
Anyone drove PCH on Model S 70 or 60 between San Luis Obispo and Monterey? How realistic is that route?
Not realistic at all considering Hwy 1 is closed north of Ragged Point and won't reopen until next year. See Highway 1 Conditions in Big Sur, California

Quote: "The projected timeline to safely open to public traffic is late-summer 2018 at an estimated cost of $40 million."
 
Interesting...look like they will have one near Sam Manuel Casino (given there is one by Morango and Pechanga now)...

The Temecula supercharger is not really close to Pechanga at all. And the Cabazon supercharger is over a mile from the casino.

Putting a supercharger near San Manuel wouldn't be bad, but I really hope they don't put it in the San Manuel parking garage or really anywhere on that property. That place can be a real zoo on any Friday or Saturday night.
 
The Temecula supercharger is not really close to Pechanga at all. And the Cabazon supercharger is over a mile from the casino.

Putting a supercharger near San Manuel wouldn't be bad, but I really hope they don't put it in the San Manuel parking garage or really anywhere on that property. That place can be a real zoo on any Friday or Saturday night.

Isn't Cabazon SuperCharger on the other end of the outlet and Morango is on the opposite end? About a mile, give or take. Not too far.

Temecula is within 10 miles from Pechanga, Still close by nevertheless.
 
Putting a supercharger near San Manuel wouldn't be bad, but I really hope they don't put it in the San Manuel parking garage or really anywhere on that property. That place can be a real zoo on any Friday or Saturday night.
Casinos, meh... The best reason to put a Supercharger in Highland, CA (which happens to be near San Manuel) is that it's at the base of CA-330, the shortest way up the mountain to Big Bear. We regularly see Tesla vehicles visiting up here. The initial 14 mile climb to Running Springs uses something like 50 miles of rated range.

In Highland, somewhere in or near the Walmart shopping center would probably be best, as it's very convenient to CA-330.
 
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No more malls or shopping centers; completely antithetical purposes and especially painful to watch during SC grand opening ceremonies (get in, get out versus c’mon in and stay a while). There are a few impressive outliers (e.g., Culver City/Fox Hills Mall, which has impressive stall striping, placement, and optional valet service *that will move your car after the charge is complete*).

Fast food restaurants and convenience stores offer a far more analogous business model.

Hotels are a mixed bag. As long as their management is proactive to avoid ICEing, then great (e.g., Glenwood Springs, CO).

Sometimes geography dictates taking what you can get - there are some good examples of cooperative parking all over the continent, but in general, putting an SC next to a Costco is just a Bad Idea.
 
No more malls or shopping centers; completely antithetical purposes and especially painful to watch during SC grand opening ceremonies (get in, get out versus c’mon in and stay a while). There are a few impressive outliers (e.g., Culver City/Fox Hills Mall, which has impressive stall striping, placement, and optional valet service *that will move your car after the charge is complete*).

Fast food restaurants and convenience stores offer a far more analogous business model.

Hotels are a mixed bag. As long as their management is proactive to avoid ICEing, then great (e.g., Glenwood Springs, CO).

Sometimes geography dictates taking what you can get - there are some good examples of cooperative parking all over the continent, but in general, putting an SC next to a Costco is just a Bad Idea.

For the future the supercharger strategy is two pronged. The highway superchargers need to be near food and possibly tourist attractions that will keep people occupied during their charge. But they are also building urban superchargers that will be used by locals. Those should be located near shopping and Costco isn't a bad place. If someone needs to charge in town, they can combine supercharging with a trip to the store.

Here in the Northwest some superchargers have already been built at Fred Meyers which is sort of a department store and supermarket combined they were sort of doing the Walmart thing before Walmart did it. Partnering with Tesla to put superchargers at more Fred Meyers would bring in traffic to those stores.
 
For the future the supercharger strategy is two pronged. The highway superchargers need to be near food and possibly tourist attractions that will keep people occupied during their charge. But they are also building urban superchargers that will be used by locals. Those should be located near shopping and Costco isn't a bad place. If someone needs to charge in town, they can combine supercharging with a trip to the store.

Here in the Northwest some superchargers have already been built at Fred Meyers which is sort of a department store and supermarket combined they were sort of doing the Walmart thing before Walmart did it. Partnering with Tesla to put superchargers at more Fred Meyers would bring in traffic to those stores.

Am a huge fan of how Fred Meyer management actively and effectively tackled ICErs at their Aerovironment chargers (on more than one occasion with which I was directly involved) along the Oregon coast. The stalls are signed with municipal no parking signs along with EV charging signs, and management will tow, considering those spaces no different than red zones and blue zones for violators.

While I would prefer people take responsibility for occupying themselves during charging (e.g., by planning ahead and stopping at a fast food location before or after for food and rest rooms), there is absolute utility in pairing SCs with businesses that share similar get in, get out models (e.g., fast food).

Here's the thing about the new urban charger - it's ~30% slower. Today, I charge at a regular SC (we have no urban chargers near the coast in SoCal yet) from 20% to 90% in ~70 minutes (1 hr, 10 min) average. That changes to 1.5 hours real fast (or real slow) at an urban charger. The urban chargers aren't yet being categorized as 100% pay-only. It's presumed that Model 3s will constitute the bulk of the traffic, but this is by no means certain in the more dense areas (see LA, OC, SD counties as well as the Bay Area), so the argument that the batteries are smaller won't always hold. As well, now you have cars charging to 100% to avoid idle fees on top of that, which further affects capacity and throughput.

The "good" news is that with that longer charging time, placement at Costcos may make more sense. However, I can tell you that currently at Fountain Valley, it takes all of 45 minutes to walk over to the nearby Costco, check out (after work or during weekends - e.g., peak times at the SC), and walk back - *without accounting for time to shop*. I know this because at least in the days before idle fees, shoppers coming back to their now-ICEing Teslas with full shopping carts was not an uncommon sight - with a line and a hapless valet at the FV SC.

There's no one answer, but exacerbating ICEing by our own (which in my view is the #1 challenge facing SC utilization) does not seem to be an approach to be encouraged.

We've got at least a couple of years yet (accounting for Tesla time) to see how this shakes out. We're in no danger of being overrun with Model 3s even after the first year of production (with half targeted for overseas) and I remain confident that solving California's charging challenges will solve as well for the continent and beyond.
 
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The "good" news is that with that longer charging time, placement at Costcos may make more sense. However, I can tell you that currently at Fountain Valley, it takes all of 45 minutes to walk over to the nearby Costco, check out (after work or during weekends - e.g., peak times at the SC), and walk back - *without accounting for time to shop*. I know this because at least in the days before idle fees, shoppers coming back to their now-ICEing Teslas with full shopping carts was not an uncommon sight - with a line and a hapless valet at the FV SC.

There's no one answer, but exacerbating ICEing by our own (which in my view is the #1 challenge facing SC utilization) does not seem to be an approach to be encouraged.

Look, I have no doubt that some people ICE their own and spend too much time at the SC's. But I am not a fan of people who think you need to stay in your car the whole time either. I have had people give me bad looks at that same Fountain Valley SC because I ran over to Costco and grabbed a couple of things #efficiency.

If it takes you 45 minutes to walk from point A to point B on the photo below then I would argue that you need to spend less time sitting and more time walking. Most able bodied people would have no problem walking across that lot, buying a couple dozen items and walk back in less than 45 minutes. And, their car would likely still not be at the desired rate of charge.

My question is simple, how do you know when another person's car has been sitting idol and for how long? If you are assume that because they have a few items from Costco that they are ICEing you, then you need to calm down and recognise that some people like to kill two birds with one stone and can do it quite efficiently.

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Look, I have no doubt that some people ICE their own and spend too much time at the SC's. But I am not a fan of people who think you need to stay in your car the whole time either. I have had people give me bad looks at that same Fountain Valley SC because I ran over to Costco and grabbed a couple of things #efficiency.

If it takes you 45 minutes to walk from point A to point B on the photo below then I would argue that you need to spend less time sitting and more time walking. Most able bodied people would have no problem walking across that lot, buying a couple dozen items and walk back in less than 45 minutes. And, their car would likely still not be at the desired rate of charge.

My question is simple, how do you know when another person's car has been sitting idol and for how long? If you are assume that because they have a few items from Costco that they are ICEing you, then you need to calm down and recognise that some people like to kill two birds with one stone and can do it quite efficiently.

Yeah, that Costco ICEing actually happened. I know this because one of the cars in front of me in line was driven by the offending ICEr. I saw her park, leave, and return. We all took bets from what little shade was offered by the valet’s umbrella, knowing that she probably wouldn’t return in time.

The point being that you don’t know when you leave your car how long the checkout lines are going to be at Costco, and we all have the same phone app. You’re guessing, and hoping.

Again, with idle fees now in place, I expect the problem is lessened.

Also, as stated above, for future urban installations, it will matter less at/near Costco since getting in and out in 60-90 minutes is far more doable than in 30-45 minutes - at least at peak times.

The larger point is that putting any SC next to any distraction is antithetical to the point of supercharging.

Easy solution: after 60 minutes of lifetime (reset upon transfer of ownership) idle fees, increase the cost from $24/hour to $60/hour, and require a credit card on file to continue SC access. After 360 minutes lifetime, go to $300/hour.

Even livery, along with compulsive shoppers and gamblers, would have to re-evaluate their lifestyle choices at that point.

Another value add would be to stripe all SC stalls green and to sign them with municipal no parking signs (as is done at Fred Meyers locations in the NW). It will probably take a generation to get people to attach the same level of repect for green paint as is accorded to red and blue paint - might as well get started.

Finally, superchargers, urban and otherwise, constitute one of Tesla’s greatest competitive advantages. The last thing we need is to rationalize ICEing by our own.
 
How many of these superchargers are actually being built. Back in April Tesla also announced about 19 new SCs in the province of Ontario in Canada. So far 0 have been built, although there are signs of activity in a few locations so they may get some built. But it is unlikely that they will build anywhere near what they promised for 2017 and there a whole bunch more promised for 2018.
 
How many of these superchargers are actually being built. Back in April Tesla also announced about 19 new SCs in the province of Ontario in Canada. So far 0 have been built, although there are signs of activity in a few locations so they may get some built. But it is unlikely that they will build anywhere near what they promised for 2017 and there a whole bunch more promised for 2018.

Currently, supercharge.info is aware of 33 sites under construction in the US, and 15 at some stage of pre-construction.
 
There were over a dozen new Bay Area superchargers promised by the end of 2017. How many have been completed? 0. How many are in progress? 1 (Concord). I'm not counting Fremont #2, since it was already under construction before the expansion announcement and has made no progress since.