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That's crazy!!! Wouldn't think such racist behavior would exist in such a diverse area....even Elon is technically an African American.

It's really unlikely that you would see that kind of talk in California 40 years ago, much less today. It just wasn't common in factories I worked at back then. And I seriously doubt it suddenly started up.

But more importantly, I question the product today's law schools are putting out. California did not have Jim Crow laws, or a Jim Crow 'era' whatever that's supposed to be.

These are temp workers, who apparently didn't get picked up, and are assuming it's due to their skin color. The law firm is most likely looking for a quick, cheap payday and found some clients.
 
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Though I would suspect a Comanche pilot would not necessarily know anything about the Native American tribe. Piper aircraft has made a number of aircraft called the Comanche over the years.
@wdolson we should call you Talon of Swooping Bird, for you swoop in and kill the buttershrimp joke premise with sharp knowledge of truth.
 
...The law firm is most likely looking for a quick, cheap payday and found some clients.

Could be!

But this is not the first time Tesla workers would behave like that, see their youtube racist taunt while these high performance workers were busy on the assembly line:

"N*****, we take your a** home, n*****. Shred you up in pieces, n*****. Cut you up, n*****. Send your a** so everyone in yo family so everybody can have a piece of you, n*****. Straightup, n*****. We get down like that, n*****."
 
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It's really unlikely that you would see that kind of talk in California 40 years ago, much less today. It just wasn't common in factories I worked at back then. And I seriously doubt it suddenly started up.

But more importantly, I question the product today's law schools are putting out. California did not have Jim Crow laws, or a Jim Crow 'era' whatever that's supposed to be.

These are temp workers, who apparently didn't get picked up, and are assuming it's due to their skin color. The law firm is most likely looking for a quick, cheap payday and found some clients.

It is unusual that a factory in a California urban area would have that kind of language. I would have been shocked to hear that kind of thing in Los Angeles in the 1970s and I was in a very ethnic neighborhood. Once you get outside the urban areas of California, you do hear racial slurs. I lived in Bakersfield for a short while after high school and I heard some racial terms about Hispanics I had never heard and I grew up in East Los Angeles.

The rural California culture is very different from Los Angeles and the Bay Area (the Bay Area and LA are very different cultures too, but both share a high tolerance for differences). California never had Jim Crow laws, but it did have racial discrimination laws. Asians were not allowed to own property in California at one time and there was a landmark US Supreme Court case about whether an Asian born in California was an American citizen or not. During WW II the internment of Japanese in California was very popular and some Japanese families had their property stolen with no real world recourse.

California also has a lot of people living there who originated in other states. And some of those people may have brought their cultural biases with them.

I would not be surprised if a lot of people working at the Fremont factory live 40+ miles away on the edges of the San Joaquin Valley. Many of the poorer workers in the Bay Area live in the Valley and commute long distances. Some of those people are certainly racist whites.

The political culture in the US right now has given permission for racists to become visible again. They have been there. Back in 2008 when Barack Obama got elected, I had a friend who was a bar tender in a blue collar, almost exclusively white bar around here. This is the conservative part of Portland, but even this county went for Barack Obama twice, but there were enough racists that when they felt they were with their "kind" they spoke up about their views of the new president saying some things that would probably get me banned if I repeated them here.

I found it kind of shocking at the time. Those attitudes had been culturally unpopular enough for long enough that those still holding them had learned to hold their tongues. In recent months there was a racist who killed one and badly injured another on Portland's light rail, though the two hurt/killed were white people coming to the defense of two non-white women who were being harassed. The majority of whites around here hold little or no racism, but there are enough to have some racist violence.

I would expect the Bay Area to be similar. Especially in a workplace that is drawing a fairly large number of people from the Valley where attitudes are less inclusive.

@wdolson we should call you Talon of Swooping Bird, for you swoop in and kill the buttershrimp joke premise with sharp knowledge of truth.

Sorry didn't mean to be quite so factual...
 
It is unusual that a factory in a California urban area would have that kind of language. I would have been shocked to hear that kind of thing in Los Angeles in the 1970s and I was in a very ethnic neighborhood. Once you get outside the urban areas of California, you do hear racial slurs. I lived in Bakersfield for a short while after high school and I heard some racial terms about Hispanics I had never heard and I grew up in East Los Angeles.

The rural California culture is very different from Los Angeles and the Bay Area (the Bay Area and LA are very different cultures too, but both share a high tolerance for differences). California never had Jim Crow laws, but it did have racial discrimination laws. Asians were not allowed to own property in California at one time and there was a landmark US Supreme Court case about whether an Asian born in California was an American citizen or not. During WW II the internment of Japanese in California was very popular and some Japanese families had their property stolen with no real world recourse.

California also has a lot of people living there who originated in other states. And some of those people may have brought their cultural biases with them.

I would not be surprised if a lot of people working at the Fremont factory live 40+ miles away on the edges of the San Joaquin Valley. Many of the poorer workers in the Bay Area live in the Valley and commute long distances. Some of those people are certainly racist whites.

The political culture in the US right now has given permission for racists to become visible again. They have been there. Back in 2008 when Barack Obama got elected, I had a friend who was a bar tender in a blue collar, almost exclusively white bar around here. This is the conservative part of Portland, but even this county went for Barack Obama twice, but there were enough racists that when they felt they were with their "kind" they spoke up about their views of the new president saying some things that would probably get me banned if I repeated them here.

I found it kind of shocking at the time. Those attitudes had been culturally unpopular enough for long enough that those still holding them had learned to hold their tongues. In recent months there was a racist who killed one and badly injured another on Portland's light rail, though the two hurt/killed were white people coming to the defense of two non-white women who were being harassed. The majority of whites around here hold little or no racism, but there are enough to have some racist violence.

I would expect the Bay Area to be similar. Especially in a workplace that is drawing a fairly large number of people from the Valley where attitudes are less inclusive.

If Tesla ever received gov't loans or grants, or heck, just obeyed today's labor laws, the requirements for working conditions when it comes to diversity are pretty strict.

Much stricter than the 70's, and more coverage due to the internet.

I simply don't buy it, especially when rhetoric like Jim Crow laws are actually put into a legal filing, sheesh.

Media Promotional Racism is much like today's synthetic lynchings done on TV's Late Night With Vladimir Lenin that we get bombarded with, it's just a balloon. It appears to have great substance because enough pressure was applied to virtually nothing. You don't have to be correct as long as you yell long enough and loud enough it seems.

But if you actually weigh it. You measure it. You analyze it. What do you have? A thin shell of actual substance expanded by pressure and hot air.

Cliff Notes: Put a pin in it.
 
"An employment attorney with prior experience suing Tesla, Therese Lawless, said: "You wonder, if they had all these bad employees making cars, do you really want to buy a Tesla now? It's very unusual to have a massive termination based on performance."

True that!....
 
Could be!

But this is not the first time Tesla workers would behave like that, see their youtube racist taunt while these high performance workers were busy on the assembly line:

"N*****, we take your a** home, n*****. Shred you up in pieces, n*****. Cut you up, n*****. Send your a** so everyone in yo family so everybody can have a piece of you, n*****. Straightup, n*****. We get down like that, n*****."

I check out the Snapchat Maps for the Fremont factory a couple time a week.
20% are people listening to music or eating
35% people outside showing off cars or bad parking
20% workers inside showing what they are doing
25% workers messing around with vulgar language. Someone even posted a guy sleeping.

If you only went off the Snapmaps you would think that most of the workers only screw around and use some very colorful language. 99% of the time this is in a fun or joking way.
 
What a difference!

American Tesla workers got an annual review and 400 to 700 get fired.

In contrast, 650 German Tesla workers is getting 30% raise retroactively from October first.

What annual review firings? Their job security is guaranteed for the next 5 years.

IIRC, the US GNP growth is about 50% higher than the more socialist Federal Republic of Germany.

You'd think pay raises would be based on your value to the company, not to the Government negotiators.

It is curious that when the company was under German ownership, no problems. Then when a US company buys it, 30% raises required with a 5 year job guarantee, stock, and bonuses.

It's probably why the $75,000 Chevy Volt (Ampera) didn't sell well there either. It is certainly why GM paid ~$20 billion to dispose of Opel.
 
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For 2016 the GDP growth rate for Germany was 1.8% and the US was 1.6% according to IMF data. Among developed countries the US beat out a few, but it isn't exactly near the top (52 out of 90).

List of countries by real GDP growth rate - Wikipedia

And as far as "racism jokes" goes, that is only cool when it's between friends and everyone knows it is 100% in jest and nobody is offended. And it is not appropriate for a workplace. Especially a large workplace with many people.
 
For 2016 the GDP growth rate for Germany was 1.8% and the US was 1.6% according to IMF data. Among developed countries the US beat out a few, but it isn't exactly near the top (52 out of 90).

List of countries by real GDP growth rate - Wikipedia

And as far as "racism jokes" goes, that is only cool when it's between friends and everyone knows it is 100% in jest and nobody is offended. And it is not appropriate for a workplace. Especially a large workplace with many people.

German GDP growth seen topping estimates in 2017, 2018 - sources

US second-quarter GDP growth revised up to 3%

Insensitive jokes are permitted in the Entertainment Industry as long as it's the correct race or group to slander. Check Wiki for the correct groups, there should be a list.
 
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I love the how often the term 'fake news' is misstated these days. Brando assumes that the 400-700 firings are the ONLY people turning over at Tesla. IF that's true, the arithmetic works - but I'm CERTAIN that these weren't the only people leaving Tesla. (Hint - Turnover includes all reasons for leaving, and I'm really not that great at arithmetic)
A fine report somewhere from 400-700. Any Tesla statement? Any employee statements on reasons??
Why do you think this is an accurate "report" - just seems like FUD to me. You don't think it is fake? why??
 
It's probably why the $75,000 Chevy Volt (Ampera) didn't sell well there either. It is certainly why GM paid ~$20 billion to dispose of Opel.

Ampera sold poorly because it cost 60.000+ USD (45.000 EUR) in 2012 here in Europe, while Volt was below 40.000 USD in USA (1 EUR = 1.3 USD back then). Used Amperas are selling like hot cakes now, when they cost 10.000+ EUR, because it's a reliable car and the batteries are still in top shape.
 
Ampera sold poorly because it cost 60.000+ USD (45.000 EUR) in 2012 here in Europe, while Volt was below 40.000 USD in USA (1 EUR = 1.3 USD back then). Used Amperas are selling like hot cakes now, when they cost 10.000+ EUR, because it's a reliable car and the batteries are still in top shape.

It's interesting the 2017 AmperaE is selling for LESS in Holland than the US. But they are not shipping many.

I was going off memory of an article I had read, it included the wicked price of $99k USD for the Volt in China. I'm not 100% sure about the specifics on the Euro Volt article other than a large price differential that I thought was in the $70's USD loaded after all taxes, before incentives.

But you should know more about the specifics than I would, and perhaps even more than the article I read.