HV Battery service

[jhuang]

Recently got an issue with my MS 70 HV battery and going to get it replaced under warranty. Decided to upgrade the pack to 90kwh but on my invoice they listed this battery part

BATTERY RANGE 1.00 UPGRADE, 70KWH TO
90KWH, MSX(1091845-
09-A)

From reading the forums, A revision is capped at 90kw charging speeds. I currently have a -C battery. After asking my SC about this they assured me I would be getting the most up to fare pack. Any thoughts?

I’ve also been waiting for the pack for over 3 weeks now, is this delay normal?

 

[Videomatic3]

here we go.
im bad at video editing so this will have to do
the new pack reached a peak speed of 115kw, dont know how one of the screen shots was 122kw at 45% but lucky for him.

 

[jhuang]

here we go.
im bad at video editing so this will have to do
the new pack reached a peak speed of 115kw, dont know how one of the screen shots was 122kw at 45% but lucky for him.

Thanks for this video, I’m planning a trip from SoCal to Vegas soon, that should be fun only having to stop once for a few minutes. Happy Thanksgiving

 

[RockinWithKids]

here we go.
im bad at video editing so this will have to do
the new pack reached a peak speed of 115kw, dont know how one of the screen shots was 122kw at 45% but lucky for him.

Good stuff. Thanks for doing that. I'd love to pick up 55 kWh in 36 minutes! A while back I rolled into an SC with 0% SOC and it took 66 minutes to add 54.9kWh (brought car to 86% SOC)

 

[Videomatic3]

Rated and ideal fwiw
I'm happy
And the cooling pump doesn't endlessly run anymore

 

[RockinWithKids]

here we go.
im bad at video editing so this will have to do
the new pack reached a peak speed of 115kw, dont know how one of the screen shots was 122kw at 45% but lucky for him.

@Videomatic3 Was this at a v2 or v3 supercharger?

 

[Videomatic3]

@Videomatic3 Was this at a v2 or v3 supercharger?

V3
Maybe I should try a 150kw charger. The pack doesn't go as fast as others have posted on here
Drove it from 100% to 5% down highway 5 starting at 75mph slowly increasing to 81 so I'd use the most charge before getting to the charger

 

[Droschke]

V3
Maybe I should try a 150kw charger. The pack doesn't go as fast as others have posted on here
Drove it from 100% to 5% down highway 5 starting at 75mph slowly increasing to 81 so I'd use the most charge before getting to the charger

You are not going to benefit from the V3 superchargers capabilities since the older cars' ( not the packs themselves) wiring and electronic components are the limiting factors.

 

[Videomatic3]

You are not going to benefit from the V3 superchargers capabilities since the older cars' ( not the packs themselves) wiring and electronic components are the limiting factors.

I will not benefit from it because I do not pay for supercharging. Other people who do pay for supercharging will benefit from it regardless of the car charging speed because there is less loss from a v3 charger from conversions.
I am more so referencing to others who have posted their c pack getting 120+kw speed where mine was unable to do so... or at least until earlier today it was warmer outside, about 76f and my car reached 122kw from 10-45% and stayed above 100kw until 53%.
Makes me question if the pre conditioning is working, because since getting it installed I haven't seen it once, also when charging my cooling fans never turned on once yet, and I've plugged into a supercharger 4 times today

 

[ucmndd]

I will not benefit from it because I do not pay for supercharging. Other people who do pay for supercharging will benefit from it regardless of the car charging speed because there is less loss from a v3 charger from conversions.

Come again?

 

[Videomatic3]

Come again?

what are you looking for?
ac to dc v3 is more efficient.
difference will be pennies

 

[ucmndd]

what are you looking for?
ac to dc v3 is more efficient.
difference will be pennies

Is there some evidence or documentation to suggest that Tesla is metering/charging customers at the AC side of the cabinet vs. the actual DC power being delivered to the car? This is the first I’ve heard any such claim or speculation.

 

[Videomatic3]

Is there some evidence or documentation to suggest that Tesla is metering/charging customers at the AC side of the cabinet vs. the actual DC power being delivered to the car? This is the first I’ve heard any such claim or speculation.

i just remember reading it a long time ago, ill never be able to find it again.
there was also a chart showing everything and a 250kw charger will go 1-3kw higher than a v2 charger because of this at all states of charge. negligible, but still better to just use a v3 charger if available.
since v3 came out, for the most part i havent seen any new v2 charging stations being installed too.

 

[lightningltd]

I will not benefit from it because I do not pay for supercharging. Other people who do pay for supercharging will benefit from it regardless of the car charging speed because there is less loss from a v3 charger from conversions.
I am more so referencing to others who have posted their c pack getting 120+kw speed where mine was unable to do so... or at least until earlier today it was warmer outside, about 76f and my car reached 122kw from 10-45% and stayed above 100kw until 53%.
Makes me question if the pre conditioning is working, because since getting it installed I haven't seen it once, also when charging my cooling fans never turned on once yet, and I've plugged into a supercharger 4 times today

Each time mine was at/over 120KW it was at a V3 charger. V2 maxes out around 110KW, at least at the Eureka SC.

 

[SCanfer]

I’m

because I’m opting to upgrade to a 90kwh battery from my original 70kwh battery. With the bigger battery means new hardware.

Interesting, my '15 MS70D is at a SC in the UK with HV battery water ingress issues. No news yet on replacement battery availability- but it's good to know there's precedent here. I've asked about the possibility of a larger battery.
I did assume that the 90kWh pack was 400V, but it seems there's a 350V 90kWh version "1014116" available for these replacements, is that right?

 

[Droschke]

it seems there's a 350V 90kWh version "1014116" available for these replacements, is that right?

Correct.

 

[RockinWithKids]

Interesting, my '15 MS70D is at a SC in the UK with HV battery water ingress issues. No news yet on replacement battery availability- but it's good to know there's precedent here. I've asked about the possibility of a larger battery.
I did assume that the 90kWh pack was 400V, but it seems there's a 350V 90kWh version "1014116" available for these replacements, is that right?

"HV battery water ingress issues".

@SCanfer would you please elaborate on this more. Basically, what is that?

 

[WallysRide]

"HV battery water ingress issues".

@SCanfer would you please elaborate on this more. Basically, what is that?

There's a whole thread on this issue:

Vendor - Preventative Maintenance regarding Battery Failures in early Model S vehicles (2012-2014)

There are some definite trends with early battery packs failing in earlier Model S vehicles... from day 1 builds up to about Q4'2014 and some even Q1'2015... and any cars that have had Tesla-refurbished packs installed. The issues are all pretty much the same thing in one form or another...

teslamotorsclub.com

 

[SCanfer]

There's a whole thread on this issue:

Vendor - Preventative Maintenance regarding Battery Failures in early Model S vehicles (2012-2014)

There are some definite trends with early battery packs failing in earlier Model S vehicles... from day 1 builds up to about Q4'2014 and some even Q1'2015... and any cars that have had Tesla-refurbished packs installed. The issues are all pretty much the same thing in one form or another...

teslamotorsclub.com

Thanks, Mine was registered September 2015, 92xxx VIN so seems quite late for this issue.

 

[stacelina]

Curious to know what the battery failure was that caused SC to to declare it's a failure? My 70 has 138k miles on it and gets 172 miles at 80%, which means it should get about 215 miles at 100% and that means I have only about 8% degradation so in theory, my battery is doing pretty well but I'm still weary of it having issues after warranty expiration in Nov 23. It's my understanding that with the 2015 year, Tesla only covers failure and not battery degradation?

 

[jhuang]

Not too sure either, my degradation was slightly higher, 210 miles at 100%. However I used to supercharge the car whenever I got the chance, since it was free and my current living situation only allows me to charge on 110v outlet. Frequent road trips in the past pushing the battery to below 5% SoC and nearly 200k on the battery pack probably caused it to give out. Tesla will only replace under warranty if it throws an error, degradation is normal.