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HW2.5 capabilities

Discussion in 'Autonomous Vehicles' started by verygreen, Aug 1, 2017.

  1. verygreen

    verygreen Curious member

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    So I guess it's about time we start gathering whatever small bits we really know about HW2.5

    - So far we know that it's going to be dual gpgpu
    - It has a driver-facing cam used by the driver-monitor to monitor the driver, just confirmed here: Jason Hughes on Twitter

    There's other stuff I heard from elsewhere, that I guess needs a bit more verification first, but good for a start, right?
    I know driver monitoring cam was a big requirement claimed for some people here nd now we know Model 3 has it.
     
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    Do we know if it is being put into new Model S/X orders currently? I just ordered my S and expect it to get it in September. I wonder If mine will have 2.5 on it.
     
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    I fully intend on waiting for AP5.0.

    Tesla has punished enough early adopters by not making anything retrofitable.
     
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    Is that truly confirmed? Is that a camera or just a poorly rendered screw hole?
     
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    Wow. I need to look up my post so I can post a big I told you so.

    NO way FSD gets release without some type of cabin monitoring. No way tesla takes on any liability without it. Costs a couple bucks per car... why not?
     
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    Yes, we can assume it is fully confirmed.
    There's even a part number for it: CAMERA, INTERIOR - 1098383-00-C
     
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  7. Bebop

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    So I'm guessing it will be retrofittable then?
     
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    If it's just that camera it seems very likely, but if Tesla will allow it or not is an entirely different story.
     
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    Haha I just saw the electrek article too. Thanks! Never mind :)
     
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    I don't know if it's very likely. If there's no wire for it in the AP2.0 wiring harness, getting a camera wired from the AP2 ECU / CID to the mirror is not a trivial job. It would've been NO more difficult than retrofitting the front camera assembly, which would effectively turn AP1 into AP2 as it is used today.

    Unless they find another more convenient location for the cabin-facing camera….
     
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    It wouldn't make sense if they didn't allow it because there are people who bought a Model S that have AP2.0/FSD capability and don't have this new camera thing. And were told their car is FSD capable.

    For Tesla to then require this camera to be able to use FSD and then not allow some upgrade would be so dumb. There will be a lot of super pissed people. I'm sure it will be retrofittable.
     
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    Its not legally required, as in, there is no regulation or law that says a FSD must have a driver facing camera. I think Tesla is obligated to provide all the necessary hardware though if those regulations come.

    However, we don't even know if this is related to FSD or just something else for Tesla network owners. If it is FSD related, I expect Tesla to pay to provide such hardware to all FSD purchasers (they probably will be also upgrading the ECU because its insufficient unless Tesla software really is metamorphosed from the inchworm it is presently).

    Smoke but no fire in terms of threat to current HW2 owners. Tesla's actions often do not match their rhetoric, so we are left to wait.
     
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    @verygreen - would you mind elaborating on what advantage having dual GPGPUs gives? Is this just *moar* power for AP to crunch image recognition and path planning nets with? Are we starting to wonder if the DrivePX2, as installed in current HW2 cars, has enough muscle to process all 8 camera streams at 90mph simultaneously?
     
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    This post shows Nvidia presentations and some screen captures that give an idea of Nvidia's co-pilot usage of the interior environment.
    Interior Camera in Model 3 Rear View Mirror
     
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    Bit off-topic, but any chance you can check the part number & description of the M3 battery pack from your source? :)
     
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    I have no partnumbers for the batteries and it's not really my source.
    50 kWh for low range battery, 85 kWh (likely branded that way? since it's really 88 or so, but might be up to 92 depending on how much capacity they actually have in a 2170 cell)
     
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    What is the evidence for a CPU upgrade in the AP? Thanks
     
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    It's not really a cpu upgrade, there's just one more node with its own gpu setup, you can see multiple references to that in the firmware.

    Additionally the "not really my source" confirms Model 3 HW 2.5 has dual gpgpu setup.
     
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    The interior camera is not required for FSD, as in the car driving itself cross-country. Who needs a camera if no one is in the car?

    It would be nice for avoiding steering wheel nags when using driver assist features. Though your just trading those nags for nags about keeping your head up and eyes open.

    I'd think it would be most useful for the Tesla Network. Less of a concern for S and X I would think.
     
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    Thanks. So the assumption is that AP2 cars will get a free upgrade?
     
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