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Hybrid Model X competitors

Discussion in 'Model X' started by TEG, Feb 13, 2012.

  1. WhiteKnight

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    I suppose the Hybrid X6 can't be on this list since it's been cancelled.
     
  2. Waverider

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    #3 Waverider, Feb 13, 2012
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    RX450h doesn't have a 3rd row, Cayenne doesn't appear to either. You probably could include the Toyota Highlander Hybrid Limited, comes to around $50,000 with all the options. It probably better matches capability, if not luxury.
     
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    Add the Cadillac Escalade Hybrid and the GMC Yukon Hybrid to the list.
     
  4. TEG

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    My wife has a hybrid Highlander with the 3rd row...
    If the Model X had been available when she was shopping for that car...
     
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    I thought the Mitsubishi might be a competitor until I read the word concept and the 4 occupancy killed it for me. I agree the Highlander Hybrid gets the closest in terms of utility. I bought probably one of the first 1000 to be produced back in 2006. When I went over the 100k mark, I went to test the latest 2012 HH. The 3rd row is much easier to accesss and larger and more comfortable than 2006, but ... The larger size translates into roll and pitch on windy roads. I already have a love/hate relationship with my 2006 hybrid highlander because I needs its extra clearance but dislike SUV's in general because of their high center of gravity. The 2012 Highlander is a definite no for me; the thing rolls around like a boat on wheels as you corner. I put a new timing belt in and am going to hold out until the Model x to replace it. Tesla is a genius giving us clearance and low center of gravity in the Model X.
     
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    Aero wheels similar to the S
     
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    It's a concept form of the Outlander.
     
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    Calling someone who knows the European car market better than me. I know across the pond, you guys have some efficient diesel people haulers and efficient AWD vehicles. I wonder if there are any efficient AWD, people haulers, with clearance and handling more like a sedan that goes from 0 to 60 in less than 5 seconds? Hmm.. it might be hard to find a good comparable.
     
  10. ElSupreme

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    The only thing I can think of that is even close is the V8TDI Touareg 2. It is in about 5.7seconds according to Wikipedia. I thought the first generation V10 TDI did it around 5 seconds but Wikipedia seems to disagree.

    Volkswagen Touareg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    Audi Q7 v12 TDI is pretty quick.... (500 horsepower and 758 pound-feet of torque). 0-100km/h in 5.5s... Still slower than what Tesla is proposing though.

     
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    those diesels might not be able to go 0-60 in under 5 sec, but they could probably haul a 747. No lack of power there, just fuel economy. My vote for best competitor would be the toyota/tesla new rav4 ev if it ever materializes and/or volvos upcoming xc60 plug in hybrid which might be in North America the same year the model x comes out. Neither are people haulers like the model x, but both offer reasonable handling and power, pretty good ground clearance, awd and good energy/fuel economy.
    Toyota Concept Vehicles -- RAV4 EV
    Volvo XC60 Plug In Hybrid shows where the company is headed
     
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    If its dimensions follow the 2012 Outlander, then you would get AWD, ground clearance, 7 passenger (5 + 2 cramped kids capacity) and good fuel economy - not bad. It's main benefit if it materializes is it would probably cost nearly half the price of a nicely optioned model x and would have a greater range when the gas engine is used. It's main disadvantage would be it needs gas to get a full usable range,its handling will probably suffer from a high center of gravity, barely usable 3rd row, and much less cargo capacity especially with seven passengers.

    Still the parallel hybrid approach of this vehicle and that of the volvo xc60 above is probably the form of greatest competition in the near future to the Tesla's all electric platform. I much prefer the Tesla platform especially in an SUV or CUV category for its combination of low center of gravity and its flexibility in allowing a vehicle of high occupant and luggage capacity to easily be built around it. But for those who want a more conventional range and/or who do not want to pay the premium price Tesla has to charge, these types of parallel hybrids might be the ticket.

    Whatever happened to the idea of putting 2 or 4 separate engines in the wheels directly? Might that be the competition in the further future?
     
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    Do you mean series hybrid?
     
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    Unsprung weight. A key driver of high-performance vehicles is to minimize the weight that is underneath the suspension. Hub-motors go against this principle.
     
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    It looks like you are right. Here is a quote from a CNET article:
    "The good news is you control each wheel. The bad news is each corner module gets a lot heavier and that creates vehicle dynamics challenges," Smith said. "They're all potentially overcomeable, but they definitely need different dynamics."

    In-wheel motors could reshape cars | The Car Tech blog - CNET Reviews
     

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