I hate those big diesel pickups, just like I want a nationwide gun confiscation like England and Austrailia, I want those big diesel pickups consfiscated and CRUSHED. Who needs them like guns? I'm so sick of these diesel redneck morons rolling coal on me!!!
Hard to believe that every pick up truck rolls coal on you. Maybe you’re the dick? Happen to have your views on guns and such expressed via bumper stickers?
Ya, there's a difference between coal rollers and normal pickup drivers. Would you rather everyone drive gasser pickups and burn 2x the fuel, make 2x the CO2, and have slower trucks that can't get out of your way? -J
I see some of these jacked up pickup drivers in my area, and they are almost all idiots. I am amazed at how they ever even made enough money for their lift kits. Probably got a second mortgage on their double wide trailer!
I presume he's talking about those with heavily modified/chipped diesel trucks. Regardless if they are coal rolling you, they are spewing emissions far beyond the factory specs and really shouldn't be allowed though I think their numbers are down significantly the past 5 years or so. Perhaps its a Darwinian thing and we just let it play itself out If you are using your diesel truck for its intended purposes, there's really no need for this. Even a small performance tune for trailering isn't going to produce black smoke unless you are buying diesel with high sulfer content. Since 2006, most diesel is ultra low sulfur. I believe current gas pickups are now close with diesel in regards to CO2. Turbo Diesels can be high maintenance / high cost of repairs esp when tuned. Let you DEF fluid run out and you'll be into limp mode. I know the Chevy 5.3L V8 gasser is rated at 10.4 tons of CO2 @ 15k miles/year. I think at best, the 6.6L duramax diesel engine might cut that down by 15-20%. Either way, you are spewing a lot of CO2. BTW, the use of biodiesel results in lower emissions of hydrocarbon (HC) and CO and increased emissions of CO2 and NOx. No problem with diesel vehicles that meet requirements over their lifetime but those that are modified with a resulting increase in emissions should be taken off the roads.
There's no need to bring another hot-button debate like guns into this, maybe in a separate thread... As one who enjoys road bicycling, I have to agree that diesel pickups are terrible. I hate the exhaust! The only reason to tolerate diesel trucks in general is the relative lack of good alternatives. Those who intentionally "roll coal" should face criminal charges, not just a mere ticket. You can argue about whether or not people need pickups, but they aren't going away. My friends who own pickups have what they feel are very good reasons for owning them, and when I need to move something big, I know I can ask for their help. I hope that Elon chooses to reveal the Tesla Pickup sooner rather than later!
My family's other daily driver is a one-ton diesel pickup, needed for a cab-over camper we use often, in addition to towing the high school band and robotics trailers (1000s of miles a year, I might add). When properly maintained, diesel engines can be relatively clean-burning and efficient. Don't throw the vehicle under the bus (ok, that is a weird metaphor to use here), when it is the driver you likely have an issue with.
I own a Jeep pickup truck that I installed a Cummins Turbo Diesel engine into. It’s lifted, on 37” tires, and it can blow black smoke like nobody’s business. That doesn't mean I drive down the road blowing soot over everyone. Maybe you saw the Jesus sticker in the back window, or noticed some black smoke coming out the exhaust and are triggered. Believe me, if you aren’t going to Heaven, there will be a lot more smoke elsewhere… My other daily driver is a Model 3. I love how I can fit an Israeli Tavor x95 “assault” rifle into the frunk along with a thousand rounds of ammunition. The car is almost as quiet as the suppressor attached to the barrel of the rifle. I love a quiet riot! You can probably even guess who I voted for! A good fence, or wall, makes good neighbors! You want to crush my truck? Molon Labe! So I guess I’m a pro solar, Tesla driving, EV enthusiast, diesel owning, gun toting, Bible thumping “redneck moron”… *visual confusion. --- I read a lot on this forum about ice’ing and more recently, jacked up diesel trucks blocking supercharging spots for the fun of it. A lot of responses are “slash the tires”, name calling, and suggestions of blocking gas station pumps. Fact is, we live in a world of self centered people who only want to do what is best for themselves. It isn’t easy putting other people first. Respect is lacking across all age groups in this day and age. Maybe, just maybe, we could begin to respect other people. Understand that their beliefs and actions may be different than ours. To be able to disagree with someone’s view points without flying off the wall because they think differently than you. Maybe instead of viewing “those California tree huggers” like “queers” we could respectfully disagree and choose to treat them as we would want to be treated. Maybe instead of calling someone a “diesel driving redneck moron” we could be respectful and show them love and the benefits of why we drive electric? Maybe if those young diesel truck drivers knew EV drivers wouldn’t fly off the hook, they would lose interest in blocking charging stations. Be the change you want to see. Intelligently engage them and show them what it’s like to drive electric. Respect, and disrespect goes both ways. I was in high school when someone let me drive their Tesla Roadster. I knew in that moment I would one day transition to electric. I’m still impatiently waiting for the Tesla Pickup. -Deplorable and proud of it.
I bet when you made this profile and username, you were just thinking to your self how you were going to sit back laugh at all the hippies and tree huggers giving you thumbs up and high fives.
I have a 2008 Ford long bed crew cab 4x4 with the 6.4 diesel in it, it also has a Banks tuner module, monster exhaust, larger intercooler for a substantial increase in performance from stock, oh and by the way it uses LESS fuel on average driving from stock as it is more efficient, it is only when the extra power is needed for towing that it does consume more fuel, I have to get smog certificates here ever 2 years and this aftermarket tune is carb compliant and does not smoke one bit, I love it when people here are so judgmental and can manage to lump everyone into one class quite easily, I wish that I did not need a truck like this and could get by without a fuel guzzler truck but my work as a general building contractor mandates that I have a heavy duty truck for hauling building materials and towing an up to 14,000 lb. trailer regularly. I do the best I can with the C02 output on this truck by keeping up on maintenance and most importantly I run a renewable high perfomace fuel that reduces emissions 40% to 80% while providing better performance Renewable Fuels | Flex Fuel E85 | Diesel HPR - Propel Fuels All of that being said, I would be all over a Tesla truck that could replace mine with equal or greater capability!
Ya the Banks tuners are the defacto choice for work trucks and the 5th wheel crowd and quite acceptable. The high end performance tuners that add well over 100HP are the ones responsible for the coal rolling. They are also responsible for decreasing the longevity of your vehicle quite substantially but as the old saying goes...you play, you pay! So take solace in the cost all that coal rolling is amounting for the driver. The wear and tear is quite substantial, esp on stock parts. You will for example literally melt your intercooler and ruin that expensive transmission without also performing numerous major upgrades. The truck should come before the Y in my opinion.
If you need to tow heavy, Diesel is currently your best option. DEF and all the garbage it entails is for the birds too. I've had three built and tuned Diesel trucks. They're work horses and a lot of fun to drive. Until there are cleaner options available that can do the same work, leave the drivers alone.
On a similar note, I had a "coal roller" try to beat me off the line at a stoplight just yesterday. Unfortunately, I had just left Big O Tires having my tires rotated, and my car was still in Valet and Chill modes. Doh! We were neck and neck up to about 50 mph (the speed limit), where I let off and let him take the win.
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All ICE vehicles are "Rolling Coal" all the time. Tremendous amounts of particulate, noxious and unhealthy emissions are pumped out of their tailpipes (conveniently mounted in the rear, so they do not have to be contaminated by their own pollution.) The notorious coal rollers are just more visual and blantant in what they do. Tesla is aware of this, and all their current vehicles are equipped with particulate filters to help protect the occupants. They even offer an optional, super effective HEPA filter to provide even healthier and better smelling breathable air to those so equipped. Just recently Tesla announced that they will install ($500) these ultra effective filters into all the compaitble S & X vehicles previously produced. Enthusiast ICE cars and truck tend to be very noisy, fuel inefficient and more heavily polluting than the more common commuter cars.
I really can't fault anyone for driving an ICE vehicle when they have no practical EV alternative. If someone needs a truck, they probably have no choice but to drive an ICE. If all someone can afford is a cheap ICE beater car, then that's understandable. Sure, there are some very cheap used LEAFs, but their range is quite limiting. On the other hand, it's wrong to unnecessarily subject other people to pollution that could harm them. So it does make me a little sad to see some people pulling into our church parking lot with expensive ICE vehicles that are big polluters. I'm far from perfect as a Christian myself, so I'm not trying to promote myself as being morally superior to anyone because I drive EVs and not ICEs. Objectively, however, it is a good moral choice to drive an EV rather than a comparable ICE, and our world needs many more such choices to be made! Legally, I think it is worth singling out and prosecuting "coal rollers" who intentionally endanger other road users with their thick, black clouds of soot. That's a couple of orders of magnitude worse than someone buying a new ICE sportscar (still a poor choice). The Tesla HEPA filter is a great idea whose time has come!
I do not mind free choices this country allows people to live their lives as they wish, but what I do mind is when those choices impact another person in a negative way. Coal rollers purposely pulling in front of another car and spewing smoke is uncalled for, those same people parking in a supercharger stall and messing with the electric cables is uncalled for. Freedom to live your life as you want is what this country is all about but do not harm another person or property while doing it.