I have cancelled FSD (Full Self Driving)

[john19951]

Process was painless (by Tesla standards) using online chat. Person asked if I wanted EAP instead (which I didn't), but they did not press.

My account was changed with reduced purchase price next day, and new Order Agreement issued at same time. This is for a cash purchase.

Reasons
● Original order placed with very little knowledge about FSD on my part - seemed a nice idea at the time
● After I placed my original order last year I have been an avid follower of the many debates in this forum and other places about Autopilot vs EAP vs FSD. From all the feedback I now conclude that FSD is probably not good value for me
● I will sell the car within 18 months, and FSD adds nothing to the resale price.
● Tesla gave three month FSD trials at the end of December 2020, and they will offer the same deal again at the end of Q1 to shift excess stock - that will allow me to test FSD and decide myself.

 

[Mr Miserable]

What excess stock?

 

[pow216]

How do you know a trial will be offered again?

 

[Durzel]

I think it's more likely they'll just press customers due to receive cars after March 31st to get them sooner.

 

[Avendit]

Process was painless (by Tesla standards) using online chat. Person asked if I wanted EAP instead (which I didn't), but they did not press.

My account was changed with reduced purchase price next day, and new Order Agreement issued at same time. This is for a cash purchase.

Reasons
● Original order placed with very little knowledge about FSD on my part - seemed a nice idea at the time
● After I placed my original order last year I have been an avid follower of the many debates in this forum and other places about Autopilot vs EAP vs FSD. From all the feedback I now conclude that FSD is probably not good value for me
● I will sell the car within 18 months, and FSD adds nothing to the resale price.
● Tesla gave three month FSD trials at the end of December 2020, and they will offer the same deal again at the end of Q1 to shift excess stock - that will allow me to test FSD and decide myself.

If you are selling withing 18 months this seems very sensible tbh.

I do struggle against the EAP temptation, but I will have the car a long time.

 

[Uncle Paul]

This is one of the reasons that Tesla is considering a subscription program for owners.

 

[El joe]

This is one of the reasons that Tesla is considering a subscription program for owners.

And as someone who has EAP, I'll probably still jump on a FSD subscription if it's month-to-month, just to see what it's like. Really looking forward to the Subscription model.

 

[Avendit]

And as someone who has EAP, I'll probably still jump on a FSD subscription if it's month-to-month, just to see what it's like. Really looking forward to the Subscription model.

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* Price dependant....

If it's £200 a month, I could see me doing maybe 1 month in 12 for a big family holiday, but not otherwise.

If they can be more flexible and do me £20 for a trip, or £50 for a week or something, I could see me turning it on for individual work trips quite often.

It also depends on where the features all fall and so on. Which we get (Tesla+regulations) on what roads, and the near complete elimination of phantom braking. I guess making it a per trip decision is good overall?

Thing is, I'm quite happy doing city and A road driving, but I'd pay way more for really effective EAP that can also deal with reasonable inter-city A roads. I do wonder if I should buyin EAP now. I assume the price of that will also start hiking when FSD moves out of beta. I'm not interested in city street driving, but j am watching closely the improvement to AP that it will hopefully bring.

 

[Adopado]

If it's £200 a month, I could see me doing maybe 1 month in 12 for a big family holiday, but not otherwise.

Crikey, £200 really? ... if it's £100 or less ... maybe, just to try it out. 8 years of subscriptions at £100 would give them £9,600 over 8 years ... more than enough surely! I know ... I'm a cheapskate ...

 

[Durzel]

I can’t see the FSD cost being amortised over 8 years. Elon has already said that purchasing it outright “would be cheaper”

 

[Tony Hoyle]

FSD is likely to be >200 a month and it wouldn't surprise me if there was a minimum term.

Elon seems convinced FSD is worth the 10k they charge for it, so he's going to want to get that back.

 

[Avendit]

FSD is likely to be >200 a month and it wouldn't surprise me if there was a minimum term.

Elon seems convinced FSD is worth the 10k they charge for it, so he's going to want to get that back.

This why I'm really tempted EAP as it is just now. Lock in the features I might use, but I can't but help think I'd be better buying 4k worth of shares :-\

 

[Adopado]

I can’t see the FSD cost being amortised over 8 years. Elon has already said that purchasing it outright “would be cheaper”

... but they will have many more people paying potentially... and it costs them nothing extra to enable the feature on a car which has the hardware already.. so it could even be cheaper than it is presently and make them more money in total ... (I know, pie in the sky!)

 

[El joe]

This why I'm really tempted EAP as it is just now. Lock in the features I might use, but I can't but help think I'd be better buying 4k worth of shares :-\

Agreed. EAP already has most of what I want, but if FSD's full-capabilities ever come to fruition for everyone who has it and I have to start commuting to work again, then it becomes much more appealing. But $200/month seems high to me, though I'd probably check it out for a month or two to give it a twirl. Still a better deal than the $5,000 upgrade it'd cost me, which is equivalent to 25 months of subscription.

 

[Drew57]

I've a feeling that within a couple of years, competition, especially brands using Mobileye will force Tesla to be more realistic with their FSD pricing.

 

[M3noob]

Agreed. EAP already has most of what I want, but if FSD's full-capabilities ever come to fruition for everyone who has it and I have to start commuting to work again, then it becomes much more appealing. But $200/month seems high to me, though I'd probably check it out for a month or two to give it a twirl. Still a better deal than the $5,000 upgrade it'd cost me, which is equivalent to 25 months of subscription.

But $200 a month is reasonable if you whore your Model 3 out as a RoboCab which, don't forget, is part of the evil master plan

 

[Yev000]

I do struggle against the EAP temptation, but I will have the car a long time.

Honestly don't. Just before I sold the car I turned off Navigate on AP... The lane change nag is annoying and the actual lane changes are not great.

Summon and parking are just gimmicks. Summon (just the basic move back/forward stuff) is so flaky... And parking needs 2 cars to box you in, which is nice when it's the only space.

AP really does 95%.

FYI just looking at the purchase of a new LR - FSD vs no FSD on a 72 month loan is ~ £100 a month. I'd pay that for a month to go on a road trip and then cancel or something like that. But its got to be the US - Full fat version.

I've a feeling that within a couple of years, competition, especially brands using Mobileye will force Tesla to be more realistic with their FSD pricing.

Nah, it'll just go subscription based, or maybe even some pay per mile model.

 

[Yev000]

I can’t see the FSD cost being amortised over 8 years. Elon has already said that purchasing it outright “would be cheaper”

Well over 72 month - 6 years - even accounting for the deposit its about £100/mo right now. If we are talking life of the car - which Tesla will most certainly will be with a subscription model - it can be £50/mo and net Tesla £10k+ over the life of the car. Especially if it becomes actually useful.

So technically buying it is cheaper - depending on how long you own the car. But Tesla doesn't care who owns the car....

 

[m3gt2]

I keep thinking about how much it will cost on subscription. If it's £200+ a month will people be willing to pay that much? I'm thinking it may come in 2 options, a full plan at a very high cost and also a lower tier at £100 but this won't include robotaxi as this I think is where Elon gets the high FSD value from.

 

[justinhow]

I keep thinking about how much it will cost on subscription. If it's £200+ a month will people be willing to pay that much? I'm thinking it may come in 2 options, a full plan at a very high cost and also a lower tier at £100 but this won't include robotaxi as this I think is where Elon gets the high FSD value from.

£200 - No way. Certainly not on the UK where you get very little for your money over AP. I would consider £20/month OK.
May be one day it will be worth much more but not now.