Interesting that you list crypto environment concerns as a cause to leave your EV legacy but then choose an ICE vehicle (doesn't this also have higher tax implications also)? You obviously feel very strongly about your experience. Hoping that you'll find an option either when Tesla improve quality or other more viable (for you) EV products.
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I traded in my Model S for a Prius Prime
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Very interesting points!
Count me in as one of the fortunate ones - have had one issue with my 2016.5 75D (clicking noise from front suspension - fixed under warranty). Car has been flawless otherwise and the one time I took the car in for the warranty fix of the suspension, the service was great!
I happen to be in the camp of loyal supporter with a product that is well made.
I think Tesla know they have not to date had real competition and have focused on volume at expense of quality in order to establish the market and consumer acceptance of EV vehicles as being mostly 'viable'. I think that their re-work of the Model S and X is likely their first attempt to address quality in the face of new competition in the higher price segment, hoping so at least.
I do wonder how much of Tesla’s problems are workforce/assembly problems versus engineering/design problems. Have there been comparisons of cars assembled in China v. Fremont?
our first looks at the "delivered" MYs drove us away from getting one. With all of the new offerings in the EV world, absent some significant change in quality, we likely will not look to Tesla in the future. And - it’s partly, perhaps mostly, due to quality. We also do not like the move to a more minimalist interior. I thought the MX struck a good balance, with the smaller center display. After driving a MY on a recent overnight test drive, I found the lack of any info looking forward to be distracting. A HUD or something at least for critical info. Now the yoke? I typically drive with my hand on the top center of the wheel. Ugh.
our first looks at the "delivered" MYs drove us away from getting one. With all of the new offerings in the EV world, absent some significant change in quality, we likely will not look to Tesla in the future. And - it’s partly, perhaps mostly, due to quality. We also do not like the move to a more minimalist interior. I thought the MX struck a good balance, with the smaller center display. After driving a MY on a recent overnight test drive, I found the lack of any info looking forward to be distracting. A HUD or something at least for critical info. Now the yoke? I typically drive with my hand on the top center of the wheel. Ugh.
Prius V and P85 household (if you ignore the small RV parked in the driveway or countless motos coming in and out of the garage). I wish they didn't can the V. As far as practicality is concerned, it's amazing.
Regarding the minimalist interior it is definitely polarizing especially at first but for me now when I get back into anything ICE (partner's X2 for example), the myriad of buttons, textures and other areas to look at just seems superfluous and a bit redundant, but each to his own. I definitely would endorse a 'richer' suite of materials and am looking forward to seeing the new S and X in person but am also very interested in how practical the yoke steering 'wheel' will function in real world...
AMPd
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Crypto currency, like bitcoin and the hundreds of other useless digital currency that many hail as the future of currency and yet most people I know who say that are only after making a profit in USD...
Crypto uses energy to mine. It is a considered by many(some?) to be a slap in the face to environmental concerns. Elon alienated a few more folks with this move. Have to say, it certainly makes me pause on getting another Tesla.
I love a minimalist interior but there is a limit. The model 3 starting hitting that limit with the lack of stalk wiper control. I can't get my head around no stalks.
My model S I am completely used to but the screen is a bit of a reach so that turning or seat heaters or defrost is not ideal.
The model 3 rear seat heaters is frustrating as all get out - you have to turn climate on to get to the menu. Sometimes I am on a call (or other reasons) and voice is annoying.
I love a minimalist interior but there is a limit. The model 3 starting hitting that limit with the lack of stalk wiper control. I can't get my head around no stalks.
My model S I am completely used to but the screen is a bit of a reach so that turning or seat heaters or defrost is not ideal.
The model 3 rear seat heaters is frustrating as all get out - you have to turn climate on to get to the menu. Sometimes I am on a call (or other reasons) and voice is annoying.
MasterchiefTS
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Guys, Tesla has several problems, Without some doubt. The assistance is the first problem. But I think that Tesla is still a startup for some reason, they wrong yet like a startup. Toyota is a good brand, but you bought a horse compared a Tesla cars.
The Prius is a reliable, well built car backed by a company that has an extensive and easily accessible dealership network; it's effectively the opposite of Tesla in some regards (namely, service). In addition, a Prius is pretty efficient, low in pollution, and a good value for commuting, especially if your commute is less highway and more city driving, and for these reasons they are popular.
Teslas, on the other hand, overlap a few of these traits (an electric car by means of being electrically powered does not produce emissions itself), but there are far more reasons to buy a Tesla and not everyones' are the same. For instance, I bought a Tesla because I wanted the fresh bleeding-edge tech that's so new it hasn't even been fully tested yet (for better or for worse), and the performance (in relation to comparable ICE cars in its price range). Whereas I do care about the environment, I do reduce, re-use, and recycle etc, this doesn't affect my car purchasing - I'm a "car guy", I've had V10s as my daily driver before.
I think this is why there's such a disconnect on this thread, as for some people a Prius suits their needs maybe even better than a Tesla. To others, it seems like a mistake as it satisfies none of the reasons they bought one.
Teslas, on the other hand, overlap a few of these traits (an electric car by means of being electrically powered does not produce emissions itself), but there are far more reasons to buy a Tesla and not everyones' are the same. For instance, I bought a Tesla because I wanted the fresh bleeding-edge tech that's so new it hasn't even been fully tested yet (for better or for worse), and the performance (in relation to comparable ICE cars in its price range). Whereas I do care about the environment, I do reduce, re-use, and recycle etc, this doesn't affect my car purchasing - I'm a "car guy", I've had V10s as my daily driver before.
I think this is why there's such a disconnect on this thread, as for some people a Prius suits their needs maybe even better than a Tesla. To others, it seems like a mistake as it satisfies none of the reasons they bought one.
The only thing my 2021 Prius Prime Limited is lacking for me is a larger battery.
When I bought it I had no idea just how nice EV driving would be, but now I'm hooked. Problem is, I only get 25 miles on a charge, so that's why it's Tesla time.
For anyone who isn't familiar with the latest Prime Limited, it's got a seriously huge amount of tech features. They have come a long way. To me, technology is one of the main draws of modern cars, so I think I will love this about the Tesla even more. I just wish Tesla had BSM on the mirrors, a basic HUD, Apple Play, and AM radio. I assume they will be made available in the near future. It would also be nice if they added a way to dim the sunroof. I bet they do soon. They just keep getting better and better!
When I bought it I had no idea just how nice EV driving would be, but now I'm hooked. Problem is, I only get 25 miles on a charge, so that's why it's Tesla time.
For anyone who isn't familiar with the latest Prime Limited, it's got a seriously huge amount of tech features. They have come a long way. To me, technology is one of the main draws of modern cars, so I think I will love this about the Tesla even more. I just wish Tesla had BSM on the mirrors, a basic HUD, Apple Play, and AM radio. I assume they will be made available in the near future. It would also be nice if they added a way to dim the sunroof. I bet they do soon. They just keep getting better and better!
BSM monitoring is a non issue if you adjust your wing mirrors 'properly'. Being able to see exactly what is coming up on you with a transition from the rear view mirror easily bests a warning light. This said I understand I'll be in the minority with this perspective and so likely would be best interests for them to add a more substantial solution than the on screen warnings.The only thing my 2021 Prius Prime Limited is lacking for me is a larger battery.
When I bought it I had no idea just how nice EV driving would be, but now I'm hooked. Problem is, I only get 25 miles on a charge, so that's why it's Tesla time.
For anyone who isn't familiar with the latest Prime Limited, it's got a seriously huge amount of tech features. They have come a long way. To me, technology is one of the main draws of modern cars, so I think I will love this about the Tesla even more. I just wish Tesla had BSM on the mirrors, a basic HUD, Apple Play, and AM radio. I assume they will be made available in the near future. It would also be nice if they added a way to dim the sunroof. I bet they do soon. They just keep getting better and better!
I thought I would miss the HUD from my last few Beemers and honestly wouldn't mind it being there again for Navigation directions, but otherwise do not miss it at all, hope will be the same for you. Roof glass doesn't need dimming, even in SW region it's not an issue (this from someone very pale skinned)!
SageBrush
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This ^^ is the PHEV problem in a nutshellThe only thing my 2021 Prius Prime Limited is lacking for me is a larger battery.
People who do not mind ICE tend to not charge the PHEV and then it is just a hybrid with a subsidy.
The other people find they much prefer EV driving, and ICE mode becomes an annoyance or a dislike. Forums with PHEV owners are replete with threads discussing how they eked out another mile of EV driving, just to avoid the ICE engaging.
PHEVs are their own worse enemy because they are a constant reminder of just inferior the ICE side of the car is to the EV side. It's amazing irony, how excellent a PHEV is on paper and so much less so in ownership. This is true even for the Prius Prime, which is just about the pinnacle of PHEV.
The new redesigned Porsche Macan will be all electric and scheduled to come out in 2022, maybe as a 2023 model. I've been getting ready to pull the trigger on a Model Y but this thread has affected my sentiment.
ucmndd
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I fundamentally disagree with this assessment.
Yes, you have to plug them in to really reap the benefits of the large battery. Yes, some people don't, but I think the incidence of this phenomenon is pretty overblown. Most people buying them seek them out, know what they're buying, and plug them in.
A ~30-40 mile PHEV is really the sweet spot for most people and should result in ~80-90% all-electric driving if it's charged every day. All the environmental benefits of electric driving without the huge carbon hit from producing a gigantic battery for a single car that, let's face it, most people very seldom use. Plus, if you want to hit the road, you just get in and drive and never even think about range or charging. These are perfect transitional vehicles until battery technology advances and costs/environmental impact of manufacturing are reduced.
We were very close to buying a Model Y and going all-electric, but I just couldn't justify the price and admit I had hesitations about having ONLY electric cars. We got a hell of a deal on a Chrysler Pacifica PHEV and after 5 months of ownership I think it's the perfect complement to my Model S. 90% of the time it runs completely on electricity as an about-town runner and kid hauler, but we also have a simple, efficient ICE car for road trips if we so desire.
Sukhshanti
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Toyota is the absolute last brand I would consider buying. Not only are 99% of their cars/suvs similar looking and boring, but they are green washing kings. Every car I drove for a period of about 10 years was either a Toyota or a Lexus. Until Akio Toyoda does an about face, acknowledges his lies re electric vehicles and apologizes Profusely and wears a dunce cap in the corner, we will never consider a toy. Japanese automotive primacy is dogma (the result of other people‘s thinking, those people being from a dofferent time when Japanese cars WERE the bees knees back in the 70s/80s, with the dogma extending into the 90s 00s…..….no longer true!) honestly don’t understand such posts….seems you should have gone to a Toyota forum to share, otherwise it feels disingenuous.
ucmndd
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