I could argue that Tesla trying to hide a serious flaw would be a definite company-killer (at this stage of Tesla's life) when it finally gets out.
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I was skeptical...
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Of course. But companies do darnest things, hoping to get away with it. @Canuck can educate us.
Or Volkswagen.Mind you, not saying Tesla has any kind of sudden acceleration issue. Though the usability issue with the cruise control seems plausible to me.
Well, no logs from Tesla to share. Anybody got success in getting any type of logs from Tesla?
absolutely, if you mean from the Tesla car itself, not involving the mothership
DiamondHands
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No logs to share, as in, Tesla said they can't pull data?
I can't imagine they would have said they won't pull data.
Your incident is quite unsettling, especially considering you've got young kids- surely the SC can at the least run a full diagnostic or re-install the latest software/firmware updates...
Same here, more than 10 days since I ask for it on the crash site, numerous emails and calls to follow up the request, still not a single word.
They should at least respond and provide a reason why they won't release the data. Just not responding at all displays a lack of respect.
The local ranger just contacted me, he was contacted by tesla and he has the logs. He's going to interpret it for me. So I will report back. The local rangers here in New Orleans have been pretty phenomenal. I got nothing but praise for them.
cdub
OG 2011 Leaf / 2023 Model Y LR
A simple solution to ALOT of this would be to simply code that ALL AUTOMATIC ACCELERATION IS DONE AT A MODERATE OR EVEN GRANNY PACE.
Heck... There should be a "granny" mode in addition to Ludicrous. No offense to grandmothers.
This thread turned from remotely possible to downright conspiratorial.
Fred did a good piece on it:
Several Tesla owners claim Model X accelerated/crashed on its own but everything points to user error
Fred did a good piece on it:
Several Tesla owners claim Model X accelerated/crashed on its own but everything points to user error
Jrogville
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I've got to admit, every time I see and read one of your posts, I still get this image of a baby sitting on a booster seat, driving his Model X around town.
Looking forward to what you find out from the ranger,
Jrogville
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I couldn't agree more. I've thought this many times when a car gets out of my way and the car suddenly lunges forward. Most people don't drive like that unless they're in some kind of hurry or are exasperated. All automatic accelerations should be gradual. You're not always looking to go on 'Launch Mode' in normal driving. Probably asking for the moon here, but it would be nice to have an adjustment for 'resuming speed' situations, just like you have an adjustment for following length. Then everyone could pick what they're comfortable with.
bonnie
I play a nice person on twitter.
I've read that article months ago and that caused me to conclude that model x owners who claimed unintended acceleration were always at fault, until it happened to me last week.
Like I said originally, interpret it how you want. Just curious about your assertion that this is conspiratorial?
cdub
OG 2011 Leaf / 2023 Model Y LR
Bonnie you have an inside track with Elon... send him a note requesting it.
(the gradual automatic acceleration)
jeffro01
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Only it didn't happen to you last week, it didn't happen to you at all. You were at fault, just like the others...
Jeff
bonnie
I play a nice person on twitter.
I wouldn't escalate this to Elon, but maybe I've sent an email already to *someone*.Bonnie you have an inside track with Elon... send him a note requesting it.
bonnie
I play a nice person on twitter.
I wish this wasn't referred to as a 'user error'. The correct terminology is 'use error', which doesn't assign blame. A use error can be the result of a user error, an error in the design that makes it difficult for some users to do the right thing, or an implementation error.
I suspect (because maybe I know someone who has done it -ahem-) that when coming off AP by taking control of the wheel, people forget that they have not yet released TACC. And when the traffic ahead clears by virtue of turning or cars getting out of the way, the vehicle accelerates just as designed. And yes, the blue circle around the max speed is illuminated, so the user has been told ... but most of us are used to seeing the word 'cruise' somewhere near the speedometer, confirming that cruise is enabled.
This does not mean the implementation is wrong. I'm now able to spot that blue circle and know that TACC is operating. I don't want to see that change - so the idea of user configurable settings as to the rate of acceleration is a great one. Perhaps when taking the wheel back from AP, TACC should also be disabled. That way, IF I wanted TACC to continue, I'd have to enable it again. Which would be no big deal and ensure that I was well aware that I was still driving with TACC on.
I suspect (because maybe I know someone who has done it -ahem-) that when coming off AP by taking control of the wheel, people forget that they have not yet released TACC. And when the traffic ahead clears by virtue of turning or cars getting out of the way, the vehicle accelerates just as designed. And yes, the blue circle around the max speed is illuminated, so the user has been told ... but most of us are used to seeing the word 'cruise' somewhere near the speedometer, confirming that cruise is enabled.
This does not mean the implementation is wrong. I'm now able to spot that blue circle and know that TACC is operating. I don't want to see that change - so the idea of user configurable settings as to the rate of acceleration is a great one. Perhaps when taking the wheel back from AP, TACC should also be disabled. That way, IF I wanted TACC to continue, I'd have to enable it again. Which would be no big deal and ensure that I was well aware that I was still driving with TACC on.
I have had the same issue and mentioned this on another recent thread. The car works as intended here but it would be useful if Tesla could eventually provide a software fix for this situation (since it is consistent, reproducible and associated with specific conditions - i.e. slow speed right hand turns with car in front making the turn and disappearing from your TACC line of sight - and thus something you could program as a condition to turn off the cruise until the steering wheel is straightened). They will have to fix this for fully autonomous driving at some point or there will be accidents.
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