blackT3$!@
2021 LR Model 3
I replaced the MXM4's when they wore out with Conti Extreme contact tires which are designed with a curb rash reduction feature. The tire sidewall protrudes a little further than the rim. So far so good.
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I wouldnt buy a Model 3 again
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Iain
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I have park assist on my 3, ( don’t we all) but I find it quicker to park using my rear/side cameras along with the side mirror that automatically tilts down.
when you get older, your eyesight goes to *sugar*. Using progressive lenses when trying to drive can be a major distraction. There’s also people who are legal to drive but has sight impairment, so it’s a matter of making accommodations for those with disabilities.
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blackT3$!@
2021 LR Model 3
Buy them all iPads and they won't even acknowledge your existence.
rpiotro
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Bifocals? I have no problem whatsoever reading anything on the screen. Of course, YMMV.
rpiotro
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Don't wait for them to wear out. I won't. If the tires will give you 60K miles of wear but you hate every minute what's the point.
I've owned a number of cars in 55+ years of driving. I can't recall ever having a new car where the OEM tires didn't suck.
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Shelburne
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I've had curb rash on the wheels of several Volvo's, two Grand Cherokees, and going way back, a Chevy Chevette. But in my M3 the side view mirrors tilt down when in reverse. That little feature has prevented me from getting curb rash for 27 months of ownership. As long as you back into a parallel parking space (as you would have been taught in drive very' ed.), and use that tilted side view mirror, it's virtually impossible to get curb rash on your wheels.
I have had a Tesla Model 3 Performance since Jan 2020. I would say, it is not a car for everyone. Better yet, it is not an experience for everyone. Tesla want to position themselves among the "premium brands". Depending on how you interpret "premium", they may or may not have made it there.
They definitely aimed their strategy towards the more tech-geared folks, who possibly would have had less previous experience with established "premium" brands. Even just the size of the icons on the screen tells you that much (and they further reduced it last year!). I think they chose their target group really well, since it is also the group of people more likely to "make sacrifices" and "adapt", since early EV adoption is largely a matter of "adapting".
With every iteration of the software they keep moving controls and data around. That's how you continuously improve things in previously uncharted waters (such as a car controlled entirely though a screen). That's not how things were done in the car world up until then, and not without reason. Mostly because a car is a fast moving object with potential to make real damage, not a smartphone you hold while sitting on the bus.
So you'll have the, let's say, geekier people waiting for new updates and stuff to be shifted around, for some new features to be introduced and some older ones to be broken, in order to experience that feeling of "discovery". Do you folks remember the stone age of smart-ish phones? How exciting every update/new model was, with radical changes in design and improvements in software?
The rest of people, who possibly had more experience with buying and living with "premium" cars, do not enjoy the same things as the first group. Tesla does offer less for this group, in my opinion. Firstly, because of the product "early EV" and its intrinsic limitations. But also in regard to the experience around it.
My brother is three years older than me and had virtually no experience of "premium" cars before buying his Model 3 online and receiving it delivered to his office. You should have seen him, happy as a bunny. No chitchat, no often pretty incompetent and/or slimy sales people, no delays. To be fair, no room for error, because error is human and there was no human contact there. Apart from the truck driver who delivered the car, but that was a funny page of this book.
If I think back to my own, more human-based buying experience of my own Model 3, I feel ugly sensations.
It was downright awful, to the point of having the sales child (maybe 5 years younger than me) have a fit in front of me and start scream around that he would cancel my order because I am not a "Tesla person", after I gently pointed out that he ****ed up and lied to me. Nothing especially important either, he had promised me a test drive of the 3P in particular (as in not an LR or SR+, since I had the P on order) weeks in advance, forgot/did not put it in their IT-systems, gave the car away hours before my test drive was scheduled, did not notify me and got lost in a net of absurd lies as to the why this was happening. He had me get to the Center on public transportation just to have the aforementioned fit in front of me.
My impressions that I was not part of the target group Tesla aimed at were confirmed when I was told that guy was one of the best sales people they had. Never a problem before he met me. My feel is that the brand knows best who is going to have the best experience of their "early EVs" and their focus on that target group is very narrow. From this perspective, other "premium" brands are... more including, so to speak.
Sorry for the long text, which is probably more of a recap for myself than a post worth reading.
They definitely aimed their strategy towards the more tech-geared folks, who possibly would have had less previous experience with established "premium" brands. Even just the size of the icons on the screen tells you that much (and they further reduced it last year!). I think they chose their target group really well, since it is also the group of people more likely to "make sacrifices" and "adapt", since early EV adoption is largely a matter of "adapting".
With every iteration of the software they keep moving controls and data around. That's how you continuously improve things in previously uncharted waters (such as a car controlled entirely though a screen). That's not how things were done in the car world up until then, and not without reason. Mostly because a car is a fast moving object with potential to make real damage, not a smartphone you hold while sitting on the bus.
So you'll have the, let's say, geekier people waiting for new updates and stuff to be shifted around, for some new features to be introduced and some older ones to be broken, in order to experience that feeling of "discovery". Do you folks remember the stone age of smart-ish phones? How exciting every update/new model was, with radical changes in design and improvements in software?
The rest of people, who possibly had more experience with buying and living with "premium" cars, do not enjoy the same things as the first group. Tesla does offer less for this group, in my opinion. Firstly, because of the product "early EV" and its intrinsic limitations. But also in regard to the experience around it.
My brother is three years older than me and had virtually no experience of "premium" cars before buying his Model 3 online and receiving it delivered to his office. You should have seen him, happy as a bunny. No chitchat, no often pretty incompetent and/or slimy sales people, no delays. To be fair, no room for error, because error is human and there was no human contact there. Apart from the truck driver who delivered the car, but that was a funny page of this book.
If I think back to my own, more human-based buying experience of my own Model 3, I feel ugly sensations.
It was downright awful, to the point of having the sales child (maybe 5 years younger than me) have a fit in front of me and start scream around that he would cancel my order because I am not a "Tesla person", after I gently pointed out that he ****ed up and lied to me. Nothing especially important either, he had promised me a test drive of the 3P in particular (as in not an LR or SR+, since I had the P on order) weeks in advance, forgot/did not put it in their IT-systems, gave the car away hours before my test drive was scheduled, did not notify me and got lost in a net of absurd lies as to the why this was happening. He had me get to the Center on public transportation just to have the aforementioned fit in front of me.
My impressions that I was not part of the target group Tesla aimed at were confirmed when I was told that guy was one of the best sales people they had. Never a problem before he met me. My feel is that the brand knows best who is going to have the best experience of their "early EVs" and their focus on that target group is very narrow. From this perspective, other "premium" brands are... more including, so to speak.
Sorry for the long text, which is probably more of a recap for myself than a post worth reading.
I’ve owned my M3P for over a year now, and if this car is “premium”, I’d hate to see what Tesla’s idea of “economy” is. 
premium software!I’ve owned my M3P for over a year now, and if this car is “premium”, I’d hate to see what Tesla’s idea of “economy” is.
ColoradoMike
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@PACEMD I literally spit my OJ out! I too have a Yota! Mine is a 2019 TRD OR Tacoma and the "infotainment" system is horrid! You are 110% correct when you say that Toyota hasn't kept up pace with tech. Hell I HATE our 2017 Porsche Macan S infotainment. I really do love our 2022 M3LR....as my wife calls it a "fancy iPad carrier....
Like you I purchased the Tacoma for its durability and modification ease. Not only that it just simply runs and runs and runs and runs... LOL!
Now I will say with the tires, armor, roof rack and cases, etc.....it is a sucking hole for watching my dollars go to the pump. AVG 17 mpg on a good day. Would I trade it or sell it.....sh!t NO! Love it.
So to the OP. I would DEFINITELY purchase a Model 3 again! My wife loves it and she stinks at the Tech stuff. She just gets in and drives. Premium Connectivity is her favorite feature and if she is in the mood for a song she presses the right scroll wheel and says "Play *whatever* and it works!
Now what I would LOVE is to be able to integrate WAZE. Maybe next year...we can only hope!
Toyota/Lexus make the best cars with the worst infotainment. Consistently 10 years behind the curve, even the new LX600 feels like it belongs in 2012. But for the actual meat and potatoes (i.e. the drivetrain, chassis and coach), they are the best large scale manufacturer out there, IMO.
For me personally, I wouldn't purchase a M3 again for a few reasons:
1) mine has turned into a rattling piece of junk after 3.5 years and 70k miles. Don't get me wrong, it has been 100% reliable, but I cringe every time I hit a bump in the road. I shout curses in public places every time the phone key acts up on me, which is frequently. As an early SR+, mine comes from the era when Tesla was desperately trying to hit their $35,000 goal, and these things were thrown together hastily and cheaply. This is likely less of an issue with the newer models.
2) Elon is off his rocker as a human being and I don't feel right lining his pockets any more than I already have
3) There are good electric cars coming out from real legacy car makers now. In 2019, the M3 was the only game in town for an affordable EV presentable enough to use as a work vehicle. Now you can get BMW, Kia/Hyundai, Audi, MB, Ford, Volvo, etc. for a similar price. Tesla still has the best battery performance/$, but many of these newer cars are a better overall package if you're not concerned about squeezing out every last mile.
I'm not a hater--my car has been good to me in a general sense, but my next car will probably be a BMW i4 or something along those lines.
For me personally, I wouldn't purchase a M3 again for a few reasons:
1) mine has turned into a rattling piece of junk after 3.5 years and 70k miles. Don't get me wrong, it has been 100% reliable, but I cringe every time I hit a bump in the road. I shout curses in public places every time the phone key acts up on me, which is frequently. As an early SR+, mine comes from the era when Tesla was desperately trying to hit their $35,000 goal, and these things were thrown together hastily and cheaply. This is likely less of an issue with the newer models.
2) Elon is off his rocker as a human being and I don't feel right lining his pockets any more than I already have
3) There are good electric cars coming out from real legacy car makers now. In 2019, the M3 was the only game in town for an affordable EV presentable enough to use as a work vehicle. Now you can get BMW, Kia/Hyundai, Audi, MB, Ford, Volvo, etc. for a similar price. Tesla still has the best battery performance/$, but many of these newer cars are a better overall package if you're not concerned about squeezing out every last mile.
I'm not a hater--my car has been good to me in a general sense, but my next car will probably be a BMW i4 or something along those lines.
Interesting, I've never used that feature. But that doesn't apply when you're rolling forward up to a curb because there either aren't marked spaces or there's no one else parked along that street.
It generally does tend to happen if you've owned a vehicle for long enough but the ease with which it happens on the M3 is ridiculous. The design of these wheels is way too unforgiving and it's just stupid that they didn't put an aero cap over the wheels that you can beat up but keep the wheels such that they don't get easiliy scraped.
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PACEMD
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I agree in general, however, the stock Michelins on our 2001 4Runner got 95k miles. Even then the tread was still good, just got bumpy eventually........replaced with the same, obviously.........
ColoradoMike
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I have to agree with the point with reliability! The first car I actually PAID for was a brand new 1989 Toyota Supra Turbo....how I miss that car! EXTREMELY reliable and performance (at the time) was fun!
So I have to comment on your points:
1. Now granted we haven't owned our 2022 M3LR for now going on 4k miles but we haven't had an issue aside from the random driver's side window not fully sealing when driving ... aka it goes up but doesn't "seat" to the rubber so the noise is an annoyance. Making a svc appt after the holidays.
2. Why is Elon Musk "off his rocker as a human being"? Confused
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